How to: Gen III windage tray installed on a Gen II block.

[90TGP]

I know how a windage tray benefits V8's by keeping oil from hitting the crank. Here's a how-to on installing a Gen3 tray onto a Gen2 block.

http://www.v6z24.com/jbodyforum/viewtopic.php?t=59735

Read further done the post, a 3.4 DOHC has a windage tray that will directly bolt on.

[Invasion1]

Thats Cool!!!

to bad its attatched to the main bolts.....i would like to do that to my engine but don't want to remove the mains.... :(

[idbeast]

Davis, I agree, That's two us!

[Invasion1]

also wonder what GM will gouge you for the bolts, nuts and tray????/

basterds.......

[Jeff M]

Davis, I agree, That's two us!

That's 3.  More so the studs that are used for the tray stock have a bolt type head for the torqueing of the main bolts to the 75 ft-lb or whatever, then have a smaller threaded portion sticking out for the windage tray bolts that are only tightened 18 ft-lbs.  Using our bolts or ARP Studs we would have to bolt the tray with the mains bolts/studs, but not a good idea, first the tray won't like being smashed with the torque values the mains need, second the thin metal of the tray under the head/nut may let go over time loosening the torque readings you put down the first time.  So, you got to get those same bolts/studs with the extra threaded top for the tray, though I am wondering if engines only turning 5,200 to 5,400 rpms are going to benefit from the oil control, let us not forget the piston rings, piston skirts and piston wrist pins are lubricated from the splash the crank tosses around, yea a sloppy way to get oiling but unless you want to barrel drill the rods and such to get oiling up top, then might not be a tray to serve our engine on  :lol:

Jeff M

[Invasion1]

Very Good Point Jeff.....

so why would the 3.4 GenII have one if it has the same oiling principal as ours??

does the 3X00 and 3.4 GENII have any type of direct pistion oiling?

[Jeff M]

Very Good Point Jeff.....

so why would the 3.4 GenII have one if it has the same oiling principal as ours??

does the 3X00 and 3.4 GENII have any type of direct pistion oiling?

Because I beleive these other motors rev higher and get some benefit from keeping the oil under control, but maybe more so for GM's engine problems since they are still not up to the caliber of smoothness the competition is, controlling the oil this way will smooth out the engine when it revs-up curbing a contributor to what they call NVH/Noise-Vibration-Harshness issues, and GM has lots of that so the Acronym serves their needs well :lol: .  As for what the other engines use for top oiling I have not looked or done any research so cannot say, dunno :? !  Could be the oil coming off the....wait I am upside down here, the windage tray will not effect oil splash, what am I saying, man I am getting too tired to think right :oops:   The tray is BELOW the crank (and above the oil pan reservoir) so the oil falling down from the lifter valley will hit the crank and get slung up around the pistons and such for proper oiling!  I am shutting up before I really make a blunder :lol: , GOOD NIGHT!!

Jeff M

[Invasion1]

Fair enough

i will quit now too...... :lol:

[sleeperred90tgp]

Well I guess i screwed up. I already put the tray in my motor. Haven't noticed any side affects but I only have about 1700 miles on it. It sure runs good.
:D
Jud

[90TGP]

I'll probably get one installed if I ever get the money to rebuild my motor  :?

[R Dubya]

There was some sort of splash guard or device that prevented the oil from sloshing in my oil pan, I know this is a different design, but wouldn't that essentially do the same thing?

[sleeperred90tgp]

Thats just to keep all the oil from running to the front of the pan if you stop real hard. :lol:

Jud

[R Dubya]

That doesn't make sense to me.. seeing as how the engine isnt lined perpendicular to the radiator support, it's parallel.  How does that do anything for our engines when its basically in there sideways?  Is that the only purpose of that thing?

[sleeperred90tgp]

Make sense or not that's the only conclusion I could see for that baffel. Even though it's sidways when the oil hit's the side of the pan it can go 2 ways, one climb the wall of the pan on the left and fall back into the pan by the oil pump and splash under the tray rather than climbing clear up to the front of the motor.

If you look at the baffel it surrounds the sump fore and aft. So I guess I should have added under hard acceleration also.  :lol: It actually looks like its made more for acceleration. Thats great cause I am going faster then they designed it for although I haven't lost oil pressure on a run yet and that was one of the first things I watched when I went to the track. Had problems with another moter. Turned out the sump pipe vibrated off.
Not good. :cry:

Any other theories :?:

Jud

[maddux31]

when I rebuilt my motor I dropped a 5/16 X1/4 in drive socket down in my motor while priming the oil pump/oil system at startup/cam breakin.  This baffle (and the sump screen) you guys are talking about has kept the socket from getting anywhere near the crankshaft.  Just thought I would add a little humor but after 15,000 miles I've almost forgot about that socket rolling around in there. :shock:    :shock: