Blue Smoke AGAIN *Turbo.....

[Prospeeder]

Just fucking wonderful, this heap of shit is blowing out blue smoke like theres no tomarrow again    :x  Im begging to hate this car with its persistant problems. Turbo rebuild im sure is it now eh, well, 300$ here i go  :x Idle theres soo much exhaust, them under acceleration it pours the blue lingering smoke

So www.cheapturbo.com IS a good place right? do i gotta call them first or just send it to them with my info?

[Invasion1]

ya i had mine done at Cheapturbo.com or phoenix turbo as there also known.

call Ken and give him the details of your problem and he will let ya know the details on how to send in your unit and other FYI's

http://store.yahoo.com/cheapturbo/index.html

I have another turbo im sending them in a few weeks to have rebuilt and they will look it over for free then quote you the repairs before they begin a rebuild.

great business IMO

[Prospeeder]

72k is sorta low dont you think for the turbo to just go out like this? I mean, it was owned by a 65 year old woman new till she was almost 80 and she died. it might be the fact i neglected to change the oil 8 months late and 300 miles overdue  :oops:

http://zhome.com/ZCMnL/PICS/turboChargerBasics/turboChargerBasics.html

The turbo's oil seals depend upon a positive air pressure inside the compressor and turbine to "push" the oil inside the bearing housing and keep oil from seeping into the outer housings. In an inlet restriction situation, the vacuum wants to "pull" the oil past the oil seals. Prolonged oil leakage into the compressor can lead to oil seal damage and excessive engine smoking.

Prolonged engine idling also can cause turbocharger oil seal failure, this time on the turbine side. Continued idling causes the turbo to rotate without producing boost. Consequently, a vacuum condition on the turbine side tries to "pull" oil past the turbine-side oil seal and into the turbine housing.

Before i got my license, I would idle the car for up to 1/2 hour every couple days to a week, i had the car for almost a year doing this, would this be a leading cause to my seal failure, i thought i was doing good  :cry:  

Inlet restrictions also can produce a vacuum inside the compressor. This can cause over speed conditions in the turbo which can lead to premature bearing failure or even make a compressor wheel burst. This vacuum inside the compressor also can cause oil leakage into the compressor.

Iv had the inlet hose colapse a few times, that could hurt the seals abit too

Hot engine shutdown also can lead to turbocharger oil leakage by causing the oil to coke up inside the oil drain and forcing the oil out the turbine and compressor seals. A clogged or collapsed oil outlet hose also can cause oil to leak.

Iv been guilty of this a few times too, OMG im a terrible turbo car owner!! after i rebuild this thing, ill take the highest amount of care i can of this thing

[mfewtrail]

If an old woman owned it and it sat around a lot, I suppose the seals could dry up and then give you problems.  One of my Volvos I purchased hadn't been started in three years before I got it, soon as I started it up and drove it a bit, I got greeted with nice big blue smoke clouds out the exhaust(failed turbo oil seal).

[GangstGP]

It could be worse, there could be no turbo on a N/A. Then you would not have to worry about it. :lol: ....

...at least you got one to worry about.  Just about all of us here have gone through the same thing,  you should get a ball bearing installed on it while you are at it.

[Prospeeder]

im just rebuilding it, im not gettin a new one, This thing actually hasnt been started in 2-3 years before i got it  :?  well, all these things definatly has lead to my failed turbo, well, i guess i better save my money for a new xover too, theres no way in hell im taking out the turbo, and not replacing the xover

[Prospeeder]

ohhk, took it on some high boost runs a couple time, musta helped cause  its not doing it now, but its more dark gray then blue now. Im still rebuilding the thing as soon as i have the money

[dbtk2]

Mines been sitting for 14 months and it smokes just a little if I sit idling for a minute or so.  I noticed that driving it around town today.  Have you replaced the return line? (I thought you did but can't remember)  If so, then yes its probably the turbo.  Personally, I would just leave that one on there (assuming its not TOO bad and it still makes boost) and save up for a ball bearing upgrade.  I'm sure you would enjoy a nice disco potato or something a little larger than that maybe.  

Shawn

[GangstGP]

the turbo would enjoy a BOV too.

[Prospeeder]

oh definatly, thats my next Mod after a cone filter is either a DSM one or a Greddy RS BOV with 2 customaizable Attachments

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ATP-BOV-005&Category_Code=BOV

[twinturbosedan]

oh definatly, thats my next Mod after a cone filter is either a DSM one or a Greddy RS BOV with 2 customaizable Attachments

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ATP-BOV-005&Category_Code=BOV

it's actually made by ATP not Greddy.  but that is one nice BOV :)  i loved it on my Cutlass the short time i had it.  the small air horn made it really quiet and the large air horn made it quiet loud :twisted:  my brother uses the ATP RS modular BOVs on his Turbo Dodges and loves them.

[Prospeeder]

oh indeed it is made by ATP, so how loud is the Large horn? Like annoyingly loud? And the small, is it too quiet? And what about no horn? is that in the middle? And whats an Anti Stall adapter?

:EDIT there is no large horn attachment for it  :?

[twinturbosedan]

i may be wrong but i think the ATP RS BOV comes with the large horn, and then you can pick two attatchments.  my brother chose the weld on adapter and the small air horn.  i would pick those same attatchments if i were you.  the weld-on flange is VERY important.  make sure you get a steel one (they make steel and aluminum weld-on adapters depending on your intercooler pipe material).  i'll have to ask him about how he ordered it tomarrow and what it came with.

here is a pic of when it was installed:


these vids were taken with the large air horn:

http://www.turbosedan.com/vids/MOV02350.MPG

(in car)
http://www.turbosedan.com/vids/MOV02351.MPG

i don't have any vids with the small air horn but it was really quiet.  very hard to hear it even.  i wouldn't recommend using it without an air horn.  the anti-stall valve is for MAF equipt vehicles.  it routes the air back to the intake.

[Prospeeder]

yea i dont want it super quiet, id like to show off now and then  :D

and i have an automatic, so its not like im gonna be smashing the gas and letting off all the time, so a loud air horn wont be a big deal