thinking about getting this...is it all I'll need?

[dbtk2]

I saw a few posts about it on the thirdgen forums and they had nothing but good things to say about it.  I took a look at it and it looks like exactly what I've been looking for all along.  By the looks of it, all I'll need to tune is just this unit (plus my laptop).  

Here is a link:
http://www.moates.net/product_info.php?cPath=31&products_id=57

Good price IMO.

Shawn

[mars]

I am also not 100% sure on this things capabilites...

I'd like to hear more about it.

[Craig Moates]

Kenny gave me a heads-up, so I'll chime in:

The Ostrich is a fully capable realtime emulator. It acts just like a chip, except you can make changes on-the-fly while the vehicle is running. The realtime changes do NOT disturb the vehicle operation, and the emulator content is battery-backed to last for years.

So there's a ribbon cable that goes from the Ostrich box to the ECM. You connect it to the ECM at the same location you'd normally connect a chip. If you're going to do a lot of chip swapping and emulation, you'll definitely want to use a good ZIF socket like the Aries 28-6554-10 (S2). I'd also definitely consider using some sort of chip adapter (G1).

On the other end, there's a USB cable that you connect to your laptop. If you're using TunerPro or TunerCat, you can just connect the Ostrich, start the software, and load your binary (either from the Ostrich or a file). Then you synchronize the file with the Ostrich (takes less than a second), and whatever changes you make will take effect immediately (a couple of milliseconds).

If you want to stick with the Ostrich full-time, you can just tuck it up in there next to the ECM and run a USB cable out to an easy-access location. Just plug in whenever you want to make changes. Personally, I had an Ostrich strapped to my own personal ECM for a couple years. Never had any problems.

The advantages of realtime emulation are that you can tweak things right then and there and see what the vehicle response is. This is especially helpful for nailing down part-throttle tuning, idle control issues, and cold-start transients.

If comparing the Ostrich to other 'realtime' emulators, consider the following:
- The Ostrich is compatible with all legacy-type applications (TunerCat etc).
- It is USB-based, so powers itself. Uploads can occur with the car on or off or not even connected.
- The batteries will last forever, so you won't lose the binary in memory.
- It is 8x faster than other emulators, and $4 cheaper.
- It comes in a 'cool' black box, not some pasty-colored thing.
- It is also capable of emulating larger chips (27C512, even 29F040!), up to 4 megabit. That's 16x larger than other emulators.
- You can upload and verify entire binaries without disturbing the target device (car). Try that with other emulators ;^).

My stuff is always guaranteed 100%, so if it doesn't work for you, you can't figure it out, or you just don't like it and you come back 6 months later to tell me about it, no problem, 100% refund. However, I almost never get stuff back except for minor repair work and that sort of thing.

If you have any questions, just let me know.

Hope this helps,
-Craig

[Craig Moates]

Oh, and you'll want to have something for datalogging. The coolest stuff in TunerPro RT is that you can perform datalogging and realtime emulation simultaneously. So you can monitor all the vehicle operating parameters and make changes at the same time from the same program.

[Invasion1]

holy crap im all over that!!!

:shock:

there goes this weeks pay cheque....thanks Craig!!!  :wink:

[Invasion1]

This TunerCat is the datalog program correct?

where does one get this from?

[TGPilot]

Did you not like TunerPro RT Dave? TunerPro RT will do the datalogging by itself (with the proper ALDL cables...ALDU1 and CABL1 from Craig) and then emulation and datalogging when tied in with OSTRICH.


Craig...Can you list everything that is needed with the OSTRICH that is not included in the $175 cost to make it work?

Thanks...Kenny 8)

[Invasion1]

no quite the opposite Kenny i really like it

just messing with it on my Laptop not hooked to anything yet.

Car is put away for the CDN winter  :x for at least 2 more months....


didn't know there was datalogging in the TurnerPro RT thought it was just .Bin editing

:oops:

[TGPilot]

TunerPro RT will edit .bin's, datalog, and emulate the OSTRICH. Damn nice program in one little user friendly package! :wink:

Get that car out and play...it is 50*F here today and getting things straight! :lol:  8)

[Craig Moates]

TunerCat is bin editing only, but it will also do realtime emulation. No datalogging.

TunerPro RT can do the datalogging, or you can use another program like TTS DataMaster.

Ok, so if someone was looking at my website, they could go with the following as an 'all-you-need' combo:
- GP1
- ALDU1+CABL1
- Ostrich
- BURN1

If you don't want to burn chips, delete the GP1 and BURN1, and get the following:
- G1
- S2

If you don't care about datalogging or you already have something for that, delete the following:
- ALDU1+CABL1

The Ostrich comes with drivers, interface cables (USB and ribbon cable), and what-not.

The TunerPro RT program is free ($30 donation if you want), and TunerCat is also very reasonably priced.

[dbtk2]

Thanks guys, looks like thats what I'll be going with.  It seemed stupid to me that I was gonna have to pull my damn chip out every time I wanted to make one little change, I figured there must be a way around it, and viola there it is.

Should be tuning with this stuff very soon.  Have to wait until my direct deposit shows up and I'll be all over it!

So if all I want to do is be able to plug this into my car and change the chip that is in the car, I will need the:

Ostrich
G1
S2

Correct?

Then I should be able to save whats on my current chip to a file so if I want to go back to it eventually I can, right?  

I have an actron 9110 scan tool I've been using for datalogging.  Not the best but it does work.  I might eventually decide to ditch it and do the datalogging on my laptop, but for now I'll just use the scan tool.

Shawn

[Invasion1]

Get that car out and play...it is 50*F here today and getting things straight! :lol:  8)

Not a chance my friend  :(

its fairly warm here today considering its JANUARY!!! +6 C*

tons of road salt and very rough roads due to ground frost is the problem

end of march hopefully and the rubber will burn  :x

[Craig Moates]

That sucks. Wish I had 50 degrees, although tires don't hook up but actual power is insane at the cooler temps. We've got like 75 degrees and raining. Crap weather. Maybe next week it'll be nice. Need to test out the motor some more, just relashed the valves. Heck, tires never hook anyways. But that cool dry weather makes it feel so crisp, doesn't it?

How's this, while relashing the valvetrain (0.016 intake, 0.022 exhaust 0.680 lift), pulled the serpentine belt off (and the plugs to turn the motor over at 12.5:1 compression), and found that the cast aluminum bracket for the alternator had BROKEN! The pivot bolt had loosened up, and the hold-down tab on the other side had snapped off! Luckily, it was under tension, but heck, I don't need the alternator to go through the hood at 6500 rpm! So now it's time to go ahead and get serious with the front of the motor. Everything else is serious, why not?

[flybynite]

Yep ya need to do something about that.Sounds SCARY.Temps here in NC were low 60s on Saturday.Me and some of the f-body guys went to run the 8th mile.On my first run my FLIROC-Z pulled a 1.84 0-60 foot with a 7.67 et @90.048 mph.So I let her cool down and did a lil fine tuning long story short after several more runs she pulled a 1.57 0-60 foot with a 7.24 et @91.904mph(on slicks)Thats my best run yet!After that we got some cold beer an talked shit and told lies.Days like that make you happy to be alive(no matter how bad you got it)Later

[dbtk2]

Yep ya need to do something about that.Sounds SCARY.Temps here in NC were low 60s on Saturday.Me and some of the f-body guys went to run the 8th mile.On my first run my FLIROC-Z pulled a 1.84 0-60 foot with a 7.67 et @90.048 mph.So I let her cool down and did a lil fine tuning long story short after several more runs she pulled a 1.57 0-60 foot with a 7.24 et @91.904mph(on slicks)Thats my best run yet!After that we got some cold beer an talked shit and told lies.Days like that make you happy to be alive(no matter how bad you got it)Later

Those are solid 11 second passes had you run the whole 1/4.  Those are very respectable times!

Shawn