BRAKES AARGH!!!!

Started by TGP Nick, December 10, 2006, 05:51:49 PM

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Invasion1

please tell me you had someone pump the brake hold it down and then you opened the bleeder???


TGP Nick

YES I had a friend hold the brake pedal down while I opened the bleeders.
Nick
1989 Pontiac Turbo Grand Prix- LG5 - 4T60HD
2008 Ford Ranger XLT- 2.3 DOHC I-4 - 5MT
2012 Nissan Altima SR coupe- 3.5 V6 - 6MT

R Dubya

I know this may come across as a derogatory question, but have you checked the fluid?  There are two compartments in the MC, one for the rear brakes and one for the fronts.
Ryan Warren
'89 TGP
It doesn't run anymore.

Invasion1

Nick your patience and commitment is amazing with this car!! many others would have washed their hands of it already

good for you!!

Prospeeder

Hmm if the pumps not turning on, its possible that the pressure switch isnt telling the pump to turn on? Or that the pump in it isnt plugged in or defective.
1990 TGP Chipped RU-1390 K&N
2001 Audi S4 Stage 2
1999 VW Beetle
1997 BMW 740iL

TGP Nick

Quote from: R Dubya on December 13, 2006, 05:40:39 PM
I know this may come across as a derogatory question, but have you checked the fluid?  There are two compartments in the MC, one for the rear brakes and one for the fronts.
Yes I have checked and topped off the fluid very frequently while bleeding the brakes.

Quote from: Invasion1 on December 13, 2006, 05:49:21 PM
Nick your patience and commitment is amazing with this car!! many others would have washed their hands of it already

good for you!!
Thanks man!  I would also like to thank everyone for their time and input- it has really helped me out and it is greatly appreciated!  :thumb:

Quote from: Prospeeder on December 13, 2006, 06:45:14 PM
Hmm if the pumps not turning on, its possible that the pressure switch isnt telling the pump to turn on? Or that the pump in it isnt plugged in or defective.
Well what I am curious to know is why the pump would suddenly stop working like this.  When I was bleeding the brakes yesterday and the battery died, the pump was working great.  Today, the pump NEVER turned on, no matter how many times I pushed the brake pedal, or what bleeder I opened.  Any other ideas?
Thanks much
Nick
Nick
1989 Pontiac Turbo Grand Prix- LG5 - 4T60HD
2008 Ford Ranger XLT- 2.3 DOHC I-4 - 5MT
2012 Nissan Altima SR coupe- 3.5 V6 - 6MT

TGP Nick

Hey if Jeff (Kuntzie) is around, it would be nice if he chimed in, maybe he would know something about this.  He sold me the PMIII that I just put in my TGP.
I'd appreciate the input!
Nick
1989 Pontiac Turbo Grand Prix- LG5 - 4T60HD
2008 Ford Ranger XLT- 2.3 DOHC I-4 - 5MT
2012 Nissan Altima SR coupe- 3.5 V6 - 6MT

grinders_18

Nick, man, if my car is running good here in the next few days and you want some help, maybe I'll come up there. I have no idea what to do, but it'll be a learning experience!

This radio station was renamed Krenzy in honor of the last American hero to whom speed means freedom of the soul. The question is not when he's gonna stop, but who is gonna stop him.

GangstGP

Quote from: TGP Nick on December 13, 2006, 06:56:04 PM
Quote from: R Dubya on December 13, 2006, 05:40:39 PM
I know this may come across as a derogatory question, but have you checked the fluid?  There are two compartments in the MC, one for the rear brakes and one for the fronts.
Yes I have checked and topped off the fluid very frequently while bleeding the brakes.

Quote from: Invasion1 on December 13, 2006, 05:49:21 PM
Nick your patience and commitment is amazing with this car!! many others would have washed their hands of it already

good for you!!
Thanks man!  I would also like to thank everyone for their time and input- it has really helped me out and it is greatly appreciated!  :thumb:

Quote from: Prospeeder on December 13, 2006, 06:45:14 PM
Hmm if the pumps not turning on, its possible that the pressure switch isnt telling the pump to turn on? Or that the pump in it isnt plugged in or defective.
Well what I am curious to know is why the pump would suddenly stop working like this.  When I was bleeding the brakes yesterday and the battery died, the pump was working great.  Today, the pump NEVER turned on, no matter how many times I pushed the brake pedal, or what bleeder I opened.  Any other ideas?
Thanks much
Nick
This was me all summer. working trying to make the best of two PMIII units. took it in and out like 6 or 7 times and switched pumps and accumulaters. bought a new pressure switch and installed it. net result: one leaking piece of crap. the pump works, pressure switch works, slight 1/2 sec. delay  and it leaks a little too much out of the weep hole in the plunger housing. If I decide to get a Prior unit I'll give you my good working pump motor and you can bolt it on yours.
daily driver: 1990 Turbo Grand Prix 180k miles
backup car: 1990 Turbo Grand Prix 118k miles
spare parts: TGP motor and tranny from a red '89

TGP Nick

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Quote from: GangstGP on December 13, 2006, 08:06:23 PM
Quote from: TGP Nick on December 13, 2006, 06:56:04 PM
Quote from: R Dubya on December 13, 2006, 05:40:39 PM
I know this may come across as a derogatory question, but have you checked the fluid?  There are two compartments in the MC, one for the rear brakes and one for the fronts.
Yes I have checked and topped off the fluid very frequently while bleeding the brakes.

Quote from: Invasion1 on December 13, 2006, 05:49:21 PM
Nick your patience and commitment is amazing with this car!! many others would have washed their hands of it already

good for you!!
Thanks man!  I would also like to thank everyone for their time and input- it has really helped me out and it is greatly appreciated!  :thumb:

Quote from: Prospeeder on December 13, 2006, 06:45:14 PM
Hmm if the pumps not turning on, its possible that the pressure switch isnt telling the pump to turn on? Or that the pump in it isnt plugged in or defective.
Well what I am curious to know is why the pump would suddenly stop working like this.  When I was bleeding the brakes yesterday and the battery died, the pump was working great.  Today, the pump NEVER turned on, no matter how many times I pushed the brake pedal, or what bleeder I opened.  Any other ideas?
Thanks much
Nick
This was me all summer. working trying to make the best of two PMIII units. took it in and out like 6 or 7 times and switched pumps and accumulaters. bought a new pressure switch and installed it. net result: one leaking piece of crap. the pump works, pressure switch works, slight 1/2 sec. delay  and it leaks a little too much out of the weep hole in the plunger housing. If I decide to get a Prior unit I'll give you my good working pump motor and you can bolt it on yours.
That'd be cool man!  The thing is that I just bought this PMIII- is is a barely used Prior Reman unit from Kuntzie.  Could this sudden pump death be caused by the relay going out?  Any input would be great!
Thanks
Nick
Nick
1989 Pontiac Turbo Grand Prix- LG5 - 4T60HD
2008 Ford Ranger XLT- 2.3 DOHC I-4 - 5MT
2012 Nissan Altima SR coupe- 3.5 V6 - 6MT

Invasion1

Quote from: TGP Nick on December 13, 2006, 08:14:10 PM
Quote from: GangstGP on December 13, 2006, 08:06:23 PM
Quote from: TGP Nick on December 13, 2006, 06:56:04 PM
Quote from: R Dubya on December 13, 2006, 05:40:39 PM
I know this may come across as a derogatory question, but have you checked the fluid?  There are two compartments in the MC, one for the rear brakes and one for the fronts.



Yes I have checked and topped off the fluid very frequently while bleeding the brakes.

Quote from: Invasion1 on December 13, 2006, 05:49:21 PM
Nick your patience and commitment is amazing with this car!! many others would have washed their hands of it already

good for you!!
Thanks man!  I would also like to thank everyone for their time and input- it has really helped me out and it is greatly appreciated!  :thumb:

Quote from: Prospeeder on December 13, 2006, 06:45:14 PM
Hmm if the pumps not turning on, its possible that the pressure switch isnt telling the pump to turn on? Or that the pump in it isnt plugged in or defective.
Well what I am curious to know is why the pump would suddenly stop working like this.  When I was bleeding the brakes yesterday and the battery died, the pump was working great.  Today, the pump NEVER turned on, no matter how many times I pushed the brake pedal, or what bleeder I opened.  Any other ideas?
Thanks much
Nick
This was me all summer. working trying to make the best of two PMIII units. took it in and out like 6 or 7 times and switched pumps and accumulaters. bought a new pressure switch and installed it. net result: one leaking piece of crap. the pump works, pressure switch works, slight 1/2 sec. delay  and it leaks a little too much out of the weep hole in the plunger housing. If I decide to get a Prior unit I'll give you my good working pump motor and you can bolt it on yours.
That'd be cool man!  The thing is that I just bought this PMIII- is is a barely used Prior Reman unit from Kuntzie.  Could this sudden pump death be caused by the relay going out?  Any input would be great!
Thanks
Nick

I dunno man i just figured we needed more quotes  :icon_razz:

TGP Nick

lol sorry bout that!  :laugh:
Nick
1989 Pontiac Turbo Grand Prix- LG5 - 4T60HD
2008 Ford Ranger XLT- 2.3 DOHC I-4 - 5MT
2012 Nissan Altima SR coupe- 3.5 V6 - 6MT

Prospeeder

well, its possible the relay has gone bad, or the pressure switch has in some way become in operative, or has a broken wire somehow, if theres no enough power the pump cant turn on either, so make sure the battery is good and charged
1990 TGP Chipped RU-1390 K&N
2001 Audi S4 Stage 2
1999 VW Beetle
1997 BMW 740iL

GangstGP

I drove my car for 20 days this summer when I first fired it up and the fluid kept leaking and the motor went dry. thats when they fry. now I keep filling it up and its barely hangin in there. doubt its the pressure switch or the relay. I got a pressure switch and didnt help shit. just thought it was leaking but did UV dye and seen it drip right out the plunger weep hole. same place on both units so if anyone is reading and has a good top half with a fried pump motor, I want it.
daily driver: 1990 Turbo Grand Prix 180k miles
backup car: 1990 Turbo Grand Prix 118k miles
spare parts: TGP motor and tranny from a red '89

TGP Nick

Quote from: Prospeeder on December 13, 2006, 10:33:46 PM
well, its possible the relay has gone bad, or the pressure switch has in some way become in operative, or has a broken wire somehow, if theres no enough power the pump cant turn on either, so make sure the battery is good and charged
I tried to get the pump to run after I charged the battery overnight, no pump run.  I put the battery chearger on and tried it also.  No luck.
Nick
1989 Pontiac Turbo Grand Prix- LG5 - 4T60HD
2008 Ford Ranger XLT- 2.3 DOHC I-4 - 5MT
2012 Nissan Altima SR coupe- 3.5 V6 - 6MT