but i got another one coming in 2 months,, its in NC, HAVE A GREAT DAY,, and thank you TGP Forums,
AGAIN!!! :evil:
Please read before posting a "For Sale" vehicle...
http://www.netavalanche.com/tgp/viewtopic.php?t=174
Uhhhh.....hey buddy. There's no such thing as a '91 TGP. :?
Quote from: 6000STE/AWDUhhhh.....hey buddy. There's no such thing as a '91 TGP. :?
,,,,,,,, because yes the turbo V-6 grand prix is around if you read or look around you will find some,,, and after the turbo's they start making them super charge which push the motor hard, and faster, i been working on gran am turbo's and grand prix turbo's for a long while,,, its a lot better if you read up before you say things,,,lol
Tradesman, you are dealing with a fairly educated group here and 6000STE/AWD is right, there is no such thing as a 91 TGP. Let me guess, you're a used car salesman?!?!
Quote from: 4PASNUTradesman, you are dealing with a fairly educated group here and 6000STE/AWD is right, there is no such thing as a 91 TGP. Let me guess, you're a used car salesman?!?!
,, well lets make a bet,,, if they make that car you pay me 3000, and take the car, and if they don't i'll buy you a grand prix turbo,,, lets just put the money down and show who got proof!,,,,,lol,, noo i'm 41 yrs old been working on pont's for 20 yrs,,, the 91,turbo grand prix are around,, you just been missing them.,,,don't believe,,, then bring your money here,,,i'll show you, lol
Quote from: tradesmanQuote from: 6000STE/AWDUhhhh.....hey buddy. There's no such thing as a '91 TGP. :?
,,,,,,,, because yes the turbo V-6 grand prix is around if you read or look around you will find some,,, and after the turbo's they start making them super charge which push the motor hard, and faster, i been working on gran am turbo's and grand prix turbo's for a long while,,, its a lot better if you read up before you say things,,,lol
Ummmm tradesman? It is a
fact that the Turbo Grand Prix was only made for production two years...1989 and 1990. If you have a factory produced
1991 Grand Prix Turbo please post pictures as we would all be curious to see it! 8)
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Highlights
A redesigned front-drive Grand Prix arrived in 1987 in 2-door coupe form only. By 1990, the lineup added a 4-door. Grand Prix was similar to the Chevrolet Lumina, Buick Regal, and Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme. Initially, the new sedan came in either LE or sporty STE trim. The Grand Prix coupe came in LE, SE, and Turbo trim. A 160-horsepower 2.3-liter 4-cylinder was the standard engine on the LE, while a 140-horsepower 3.1-liter V6 powered the SE and STE models. The V6 could also be ordered for the LE. A turbocharged version of the V6 was standard on the Turbo Grand Prix Coupe, and was an optional engine for the STE sedan. Antilock brakes were standard on the Turbo Coupe, optional on all other models.
Year-to-Year Changes
1991 Pontiac Grand Prix: Although the limited-edition Grand Prix Turbo coupe has been retired, the GTP retains the Turbo model's flared fenders, hood louvers, and lacy alloys wheels.
In place of the turbocharged 3.1-liter V6 sits a brand-new 3.4-liter, double-overhead-cam, 24-valve V6. Where the turbocharged engine provided 205 horsepower, the new engine delivers 210 horsepower with a 5-speed manual and 200 horsepower with GM's new electronically controlled 4-speed automatic. The new engine is an available option on all other Grand Prix models, except the LE sedan.[/b] Also, all coupes get new front-end styling marked by a new grille, four mini headlamps, and standard fog lamps.
1992 Pontiac Grand Prix: For '92 all Grand Prix models adopt the front-end look of last year's STE model, while the 3.1-liter V6 becomes standard equipment and antilock brakes are more readily available.
1993 Pontiac Grand Prix: A 4-speed automatic transmission is newly available with the base 3.1-liter V6, and automatic door locks are now standard on all versions of the Grand Prix. To get a car comparable to last year's GTP requires specifying the optional 3.4-liter V6, along with the Aero Performance Package.
1994 Pontiac Grand Prix: Heading the list of changes to the '94 Grand Prix are dual airbags, a simplified model lineup, and a new base engine. With dual airbags standard, the seatbelt anchors have been moved to the door frame on sedans, but remain anchored to the doors of all coupe models. As part of the model-simplification plan, only the SE model returns in both 2-door and 4-door formats, as both LE and STE sedan models are dropped, along with the GT and GTP coupe. With the model change, antilock brakes become optional on all models. Taking a look at powertrains, the base engine remains a 3.1-liter V6, but this year's unit is an entirely new design, and makes 160 horsepower compared to 140 from the previous V6. The optional twin-cam 3.4-liter V6 has been upgraded to produce 210 horsepower with the 4-speed automatic.
1995 Pontiac Grand Prix: With all the adjustments made last year, few changes were made to the 1995 Grand Prix.
1996 Pontiac Grand Prix: A variety of detail changes to the Grand Prix took place in its last year prior to a complete makeover for 1997. This year the optional 3.4-liter 24-valve V6 engine provides 215 horsepower, five more than last year.
here my proof,,,,NOW now i want your proof of why you say this,,unless your just shooting stuff your lost on ,,,here the site>http://www.ranrich.com/gp1990.htm,, PLEASE PEOPLE READ UP ON CARS BEFORE YOU SAY THINGS,,, OR HAVE PROOF! OOK
You just proved YOURSELF wrong.
1991
The turbo coupe was dropped this year. It was replaced with the Grand Prix GTP. The GTP offered everything the turbo coupe had but had the turbo engine replaced with the 3.4 liter, 4 cam V-6. All noses on all the coupes were restyled. The STE sedan also had the 3.4 V-6. A GT coupe was also available. It was just like a GTP but the regular 3.1 V-6 replaced the 3.4 V-6. The LE coupe was discontinued.
Read it. The turbo was replaced with the 3.4 liter. That means NO TURBO in 1991.
From your link...
1991
The turbo coupe was dropped this year. It was replaced with the Grand Prix GTP. The GTP offered everything the turbo coupe had but had the turbo engine replaced with the 3.4 liter, 4 cam V-6. All noses on all the coupes were restyled. The STE sedan also had the 3.4 V-6. A GT coupe was also available. It was just like a GTP but the regular 3.1 V-6 replaced the 3.4 V-6. The LE coupe was discontinued.
Um, I don't know hwat you are reading there, but here is the exact quote
"1991
The turbo coupe was dropped this year. It was replaced with the Grand Prix GTP. The GTP offered everything the turbo coupe had but had the turbo engine replaced with the 3.4 liter, 4 cam V-6. All noses on all the coupes were restyled. The STE sedan also had the 3.4 V-6. A GT coupe was also available. It was just like a GTP but the regular 3.1 V-6 replaced the 3.4 V-6. The LE coupe was discontinued."
The turbo coupe was dropped for the 91 model year. The GTP was it's replacement, and offered the 3.4 DOHC engine, in lieu of the 3.1 Turbo. The 3800 SC engine, or L67, was not offered in the GTP untill the makeover for the 97+ model years.
The only years they made the TGP were 89&90. Sorry bro, you sound like a used car salesman, or a kid with to much time.
Oh, and with the grammar you are using, and your inability to type a real sentence, I would say you are not as educated as you say.
4PASNU when are you going to pick up your 89-90 Turbo GP from tradesman :?: :?: :?:
Some dinks believe anything they think they read on one web page. :eek2: :agrue: :bag: :moon: :drinking: :drinking:
This has been unlocked so tradesman can add his info about his car...
EVERYONE refrain from making rude comments, tradesman has also been warned, so let's act like adults, please. :drinking: :drinking:
I was reading the thread on this..and how amusing. Maybe the seller should post the VIN number? Just a thought.
Got pics?
Quote from: TGPRobNYI was reading the thread on this..and how amusing. Maybe the seller should post the VIN number? Just a thought.
Dude, don't even get me started. He IMed me on AIM for some reason last night, trying to teach me what a TGP is. Who signs up on a TGP forum to inform members that TGPs exist??? I spent over a half hour reading his mindless ramblings (during which time, I
also suggest he put up the Vin #). He said sure, if you want to pay the Carfax to tell you that it's a '91. I told him the board doesn't need Carfax to decode the vin #. He said he'd get it later. He said he was 41, but from all the grammatical errors and the fact that he came onto a board for TGP enthusiasts with the nerve to tell us to "read up" on TGPs, I'm guessing he's actually 14.
Quote from: 4PASNUYou just proved YOURSELF wrong.
1991
The turbo coupe was dropped this year. It was replaced with the Grand Prix GTP.
Oh, and don't bother. He's still not grasping this concept, apparently. He gave me that link last night, too, calling it evidence that there WAS a '91 TGP, not that there WASN'T one....
He also gave me a link to a car parts site which had a whole list of '91 Grand Prix stuff, including "1991 Grand Prix Turbo parts". As if parts places are a reliable source for info. :roll: I've seen listings for '91 Pontiac 6000 STEs, even though they were dropped in '90 (that means they didn't make any IN '90, not they made the decision to drop them for '91 in '90). Sorry, had to spell that out for the laymen. What he failed to do was click on that turbo parts link, where, on the following page, they had turbos, intercoolers and SUPERCHARGERS! -gasp- They made supercharged AND turbo Grand Prix' in '91??? It
MUST be true! It's on the site!
Anyways, after a while of suffering through this, I just had to block him from AIM. It was causing brain damage trying to make this person understand that I OWN 2 of them, and don't need his missinformed "explainations"! Damn, my head still hurts from last night.....and no, I don't drink, so I'm not talking hang-over.
Joy.. now were gonna get someone signing up on this site saying that they have a 1991 Turbo Grand Prix!!!11 :roll:
Quote from: LukeZ34Joy.. now were gonna get someone signing up on this site saying that they have a 1991 Turbo Grand Prix!!!11 :roll:
Maybe we'll be able to talk some sense into whoever buys it that there are no '91s!!! :lol: :P :lol:
Quote from: 6000STE/AWDQuote from: TGPRobNYreading I also suggest he put up the Vin #). He said sure, if you want to pay the Carfax to tell you that it's a '91. I told him the board doesn't need Carfax to decode the vin.
If this guy doesn't know how to decode a GM vin# then he must really be a moron. Even ClubGP members know how to do that!! :roll: :lol: :P
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Oh, and don't bother. He's still not grasping this concept, apparently. He gave me that link last night, too, calling it evidence that there WAS a '91 TGP, not that there WASN'T one....
He also gave me a link to a car parts site which had a whole list of '91 Grand Prix stuff, including "1991 Grand Prix Turbo parts". As if parts places are a reliable source for info. :roll: I've seen listings for '91 Pontiac 6000 STEs, even though they were dropped in '90 (that means they didn't make any IN '90, not they made the decision to drop them for '91 in '90). Sorry, had to spell that out for the laymen. What he failed to do was click on that turbo parts link, where, on the following page, they had turbos, intercoolers and SUPERCHARGERS! -gasp- They made supercharged AND turbo Grand Prix' in '91??? It MUST be true! It's on the site!
Anyways, after a while of suffering through this, I just had to block him from AIM. It was causing brain damage trying to make this person understand that I OWN 2 of them, and don't need his missinformed "explainations"! Damn, my head still hurts from last night.....and no, I don't drink, so I'm not talking hang-over.
Dude, careful! You'll give ourself a hemorage!! Like Lewis Black says, teh reason for these unexplained brain hemorages is because someone says something so stupid, and it goes IN YOUR EAR! And whe you turn to someone to talk to them about it, there's nonone there. Then you turn back to the person that said it.... and they're gone too!!! So know, your walking around thinkg about"there was a 91 tgp, there was a 91 tgp" and thinking"there's no such thing as a 91 tgp, I know there's not". And it keeps rattling around and making your head spin!!
The next morning they find you dead in your bathroom.
That's where brain hemorages come from!!
Quote from: skalorIf this guy doesn't know how to decode a GM vin# then he must really be a moron. Even ClubGP members know how to do that!!:roll: :lol: :P
It may be a joke...but we don't need a Forum war!! Careful please! 8)
I also would to like to see the vin number, that would settle this.
It was sold? Ohhhhh man I was ready to come get a one of a kind 1991 TGP that Pontiac hid from so many people! How much did you sell it for? Shut the Fu....ohhh I am a mod! Control control... :bad-words:
What do you think something like that is worth Jim? Chris do you have an idea of an estimated worth of soemthing like that?
Jimminy christmas! 8)
It is not worth anything more then a regular GP, because if it had a turbo in it, it is not factory... IMFO
I told him on 4 different occasions to send me the VIN, but he wouldn't do it...
:agrue: :hockey: :bag: :moon: :moon: :drinking: :drinking: :drinking:
hey now come on Ive seen a 91 Grand prix turbo. It was a 91 GTP with a motor swap!!!! who did that kid think he was fooling I should have taken him up on that bet. It would have been fun to drive another TGP around.
I bet he has a 1988 TGP for sale also....oh yea it is for sale http://www.netavalanche.com/tgp/viewtopic.php?t=1671
I think it is hilarious that this guy comes on here and tries to tell us, Turbo Grand Prix owners, that we don't know anything about the cars we own, and that we should do research on them. We all know there was no Turbo Grand Prix in '91, and if he thinks there is, good for him, he is wrong, we all know it, just leave him alone and let him think that.
But in case anyone on here hasn't noticed, Jeff M. says right on his site that there was a Turbo STE in 1991, maybe that is where he got it from.
Shawn
huh, i never noticed that before.
Quote from: Chris Ahuh, i never noticed that before.
ditto...Jeff/Jim, care to shed some light on why you guys site says 90/91?
Since 1995 when I got on the Net, I have talked to TGP owners, with now over 3,000 owners confired with, maybe some repeat cars/new owners. Over the years it has been stated and said to me by a few owners with proven VIN number regarding 1991 Turbo STEs, and only the TSTE, NO 1991 TGPs. Now from what makes sense, the TSTE came out as a MY (Manufacturing Year) 1990 car (released in fall of 1989), and was pretty well received by the public, enough that a few 1991 TSTEs were still done, technically still made in 1990 but at year-end when most 1991 Regular/3.1 and 3400 STEs were released.
Just to mention these 1991 3400 STEs had the same larger hood louvers the TGP and TSTE had, and in more colors than the TSTE offered. That is it for these cars, now there has been rumors and for some, facts that McLaren or (?) made a run of 25 3.1L turbo AWD 6000 STEs, this and the actual MY run of the TGP and TSTE and quantity are what I am planning to confirm on my next visit back to McLaren this spring (even talked with the wife tonight about all the other friends and relatives we could hit while there, and the Museum where there is a true TGP Pace Car, MORE PICS!!!).
So stay tuned, all this info I look to put on my thin ass web sight (for now :twisted: ).
Jeff M
Jeff: You probably don't remember, but we spoke on the phone about this when Jamie picked-up those parts for you from me about a year back. Actually, this guy I talked to a few years back (the guy who sold me my first AWD) said that there were 50 :shock: 6000 STE AWD Turbos made, not 25. I miss understood him at the time, thinking he meant 50 AWD TGPs, not the other way around. He worked for GM Corp. at the time, and supposedly test drove MANY AWDs before the regular production ones came out (if you can call 124 '88s regular production). He drove one of the 7 prototypes in '87, when they still had the 2.8s in them. He pointed out some great details that he remembered from them, like a sticker on the gauges that said "E really means empty!" In other words, it doesn't mean you have a gallon or two left like 99% of other cars. If you let the digital gauge show that there are no bars left, you're finished! He also said he could have got out and run faster. The AWD version of the STE weighs over 300lbs more than any FWD 6000, thus the reason they went to the 3.1.
Also, during my quest for more info on swapping a TGP motor into one of the AWDs, some kid came across one of my posts somewhere a few months back asking the best way to go about beefing up the HM125C 3-speed. He e-mailed me to say that the 3-speed should have no problem handling the new torque and hp from a turbo. He was running nitrous on a Sunbird and Cavalier with the same 3.1 in them, mated to the same 125C. With the shots he was using, he said he was running nearly 300hp in them without a problem on the original, 100K+ mile trannies, so it should be fine. He also said he doesn't care what anyone says, he knows for a fact there were turbo STEs made because he saw 2 with his own eyes. One at a junkyard :evil: , and one at a "run what you brung" track event.
Between the guy who worked with them, the guy who saw two, and the blurb on the McLaren site (before it was redone) about a 6000 STE being one of the cars they worked on, I am pretty confident they were built. Probably not many left, though, if any at all. :cry: :cry:
QuoteJust to mention these 1991 3400 STEs had the same larger hood louvers the TGP and TSTE had
Just to add my 2 cents worth :twocents: - I own a 1991 STE with the 3.4 24 Valve V6 - And it did not come with a louvered hood.
That is why I am now searching for a Louvered hood for it, this engine runs very HOT!
I am the original owner of this beauty and it only has 47k miles on it, and it's loaded to the gills (all except HUD :( )
BTW - Does anyone know if there is a kit or some other way to add a turbo to my 3.4?? Someone suggested that this was a possibility, if so I would love to know how. Any and all info on this would be appreciated!
PS - this was interesting reading - great history lesson!
talk to this character!!!!!!!!
http://www.brian89gp.com/
that must fly!!!!!!!!
enjoy