Just making a post where everything can state their performance goals for their TGP/TSTE if they so desire. Please state in terms of hp, ET, etc. what you want to accomplish w/ your car.
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With my 1990 TGP, I'm basically planning to modify the car enough to make it consistently run mid-high 13's in the quarter mile, that's as far as I plan on going w/ it. If I acquire another TGP that isn't in pristine condition, I plan to shoot for 12's or more in it..I have some things planned for a future project TGP that I wouldn't dare do to my current car.
I figured I would make this post since more people here have acquired TGP's and since I don't believe we've had a similar post in a while(last I can remember is the post I made titled something to the nature of "what do you have planned for *your* TGP"..it could stand to be brought to the top as well for those wishing to update their progess and whatnot).
I just wanna go 13's. 13.999 or 13.000 is the same thing to me. One of those or anywhere in between and I will be happy.
However, it would be nice to pick up another TGP I will try to get both to run about 14.40's before I try to dip one into the 13's.
Shawn
i'm lookin for at least 350 lbs of TQ,
then trap speed is not as important to me as power, and TQ is more fun than HP and 330 HP would be nice.................and that is my plans for power............will need another post to tell all my plans for mods/upgrades.................... :twisted: my car will be THE BADDEST car on this board! wether or not its the fastet i dont care, but it will be the meanst lookin TGP ever!
The red car= I just want to put it back together. :oops: The auto, 14.999 would make me happy. It's not my fast one, so I don't really care about it. I will have a reliable auto pristine TGP (w/ a nasty tranny) to take to car shows and show off. Then there was Black Sunshine :twisted: My goals are this:
1) Make it as fast as I can before the track shuts down this year.
2) When it does shut down, start modding
3) Make a streetable 12 second TGP
4) Use it as a test car to help out alot of other people.
5) Mark my words: I believe that this car is capable of mid 13's if I get it tuned right. That being said, 13.5 is my goal for this season. BUT* I need to get it put back together to start tuning it. :lol:
(Disclaimer: IF the motor doesn't blow up first, it can be a 13 second car...)
To have the quickest TGP in EUROPE.....oh wait I am the ONLY TGP in Europe :lol:
Seriously I plan on competing for the quickest TGP title also...will have to wait untill sometime in 06 to get valid times though :( .
Have these mods already:
UD pully (FFP)
Poly motor mounts (FFP)
TG 180 chip
"drilled" 180 stat
24 Lbs Matched injectors
TB mod
IC MOD
secondary fan turn on at 100 degrees = air blowing thrugh IC most of the time :lol: :lol:
ported / bowl bled heads (heads cleaned, parts replaced as necessary)
1:6 roller rockers
MSD coils
Taylor wires
94 overflow tank
K&N's
wrapped IC pipes
Fresh tranny w/ working LSD
Synthetic oils
future mods / working MODS:
T3 / Super 60 turbo
3" downpipe
Alochol injection or bigger IC (possibly SAAB / Volvo IC)
Weight reduction / redispersment
Tranny cooler mod.
Oil Cooler
TB spacer
Bigger TB
Headers / porting exhaust manifolds
Aluminum WP pully (ZZP)
Better Head gaskets
"Sticky" tires
How Did You GEt that thing to Europe......
how much trouble was it???
i thought bringing a car from the USA into Canada was a pain in the ass....
cheers
Dave
and sorry about off topic subject.... :oops:
I am in the Army, got stationed in Italy, based on rank & marital status I could ship a car.
thats cool
bring some american thunder into the land of Pasta Rockets... :wink:
thanks for the reply
I'm going to try and get at least 400-450 HP (if posible) out of the 3.1 liter. I know that may sound crazy but I have a R E A L L Y heavy foot and a very bad need for speed :vamp: .
aluminum block.
port and polished clylinder heads, and ported U&L intake manifolds.
bigger throttle body.
t3/t4 turbocharger?.
front mount intercooler.
racing camshaft.
no catalitic converter.
new exhaust system.
bigger fuel injectors.
5-speed transmission.
you guys get the idea.
Just to let you in on some info. I have a 1967 Plymouth that WILL be pushing 700 Hp when I'm finished it 8) . ( and thats the truth)
Break into the 14s :oops:
hahahahahahaha A Lambo... is NOT a Pasta Rocket... :twisted: :shock:
Quote from: 90TGPBreak into the 14s :oops:
Have you ran it w/ your 17's on yet? Do they provide better grip then your old tires did?
In its current configuration with trimmed T25 it is awesome on these small short curvy roads, and I find traction to be a limiting factor. Can play with the smaller BMW's (not M series :cry: ) easily. The Ford Escorts seem to be really quick arond here, must be the rally influence
Saw a F40 Lambo tonight who "hit it" as he was going past me.......WOW - that car just dissapeared :shock:
I am finding that octane is effecting performance also......looking for Zylene...... May order some Tarco from ZZP
An F40 is a Ferrari, not a Lamborghini.
QuoteHave you ran it w/ your 17's on yet? Do they provide better grip then your old tires did?
I've ran them a couple times at the track so far. I can floor it off the line, then I'll reach 30mph or so RIGHT when full boost hits, and the tires will still break loose :twisted:. Mind you, I'm running 235/45/17 Nitto 555 Extreme ZR-Rated tires. I chose to run 235 instead of 245 because my new wheels are only 7" wide and not 8", and that they are tucked in a bit more then stock, even with spacers :oops:.
My biggest problem is my 60ft, I really need to learn on how to launch this car. I'm getting 2.3s the vast majority of the time. I could easily drop .2 off of my e.t. with a better 60ft.
My second biggest problem, is that my track slopes uphill at about the 1000ft mark. I could drop another .1-.2 off my times by going to a better track. Norwalk is probably the best track in my area, but a bit far to drive. Like 2-3 hours worth.
My 3rd problem, I really need to stop racing with a full tank of gas :oops:, lol.
i'm at the point that all i want to do is bolt all of my TGP engine parts onto my 220,000 mile NA 3.1 'T' motor and run the damn thing with full manifold pressure to the wastegate until the new clutch is broken in, then crank it up with a grainger valve up to to 10psi or till the motor blows whichever comes first. in the meantime i will be rebuilding the 'V' engine with lower compression pistons and a bigger T3 turbo and supporting mods of course.
i have a severe lack of interest mostly because my Lebaron GTS is already in the low 15/high 14 second range and i don't think i'll ever get my TGP powered 5-speed Cutlass faster or even as fast as the GTS....rebuilt 'V' engine or not. if i had a real TGP (or more like a TSTE) i think the interest would be there....until then i'm all about my Turbo Chrysler and its upcoming 3-bar cal :oops:
Break teh 500hp barrier, and find some better stuff for the suspensino and brakes. I'm more of a road course guy anymore.
My Bad - F40 is Ferrari you would think I would see more in Itlay...that is only the 2nd one in 5 months
I've only seen 1 in my ENTIRE LIFE, so you are already WAY ahead of me. They were extremely limited in production I believe.
Take a drive through Beverly Hills or southern Orange County. Its actually sickening when you see so many, including Ferraris (one past me on the freeway the other day, a Diable did a couple months ago) because you want one and it takes so much to own one.
Sorry, as far as the post, I always go by the rule of thumb "theres no replacement for displacement". How much is the 3.1 really capable of, we can pump it full of all the boost and maybe nitrous we want to, but there is a limit both of physical integrity and physical space that fuel/air can be compressed.
then again look at how much ass a nissan skyline kicks with a TT inline six setup, so who knows.
One thing that true pros have is a decent, sometimes overwhelming supply of aftermarket parts. We do not. They can say there running, say, a Dodge 440, chevy 350, whatever. BUT!!! what they dont necessarily say is they bought a custom forged block out of Jegs, aftermarket fully ported heads, etc etc....not one part is a "stock" part. we have limitations, and are reliant on each others creativity, skill, passion for the project and ultimately the pocket book. So keep trying. Ill let you know what happens w/me when i consider myself well along. Good luck!
TGPto_restore,
I see your signature says BOMBs better - for that as a service member a little to famialure with some of these Bombs - thank you!
Well thank you. You are definitely the man, doing the front lines, but were here supporting you giving the best tools we can, 100%!!!!
Dave
Quote from: TGPto_restoreTake a drive through Beverly Hills or southern Orange County. Its actually sickening when you see so many, including Ferraris (one past me on the freeway the other day, a Diable did a couple months ago) because you want one and it takes so much to own one.
Sorry, as far as the post, I always go by the rule of thumb "theres no replacement for displacement". How much is the 3.1 really capable of, we can pump it full of all the boost and maybe nitrous we want to, but there is a limit both of physical integrity and physical space that fuel/air can be compressed.
then again look at how much ass a nissan skyline kicks with a TT inline six setup, so who knows.
One thing that true pros have is a decent, sometimes overwhelming supply of aftermarket parts. We do not. They can say there running, say, a Dodge 440, chevy 350, whatever. BUT!!! what they dont necessarily say is they bought a custom forged block out of Jegs, aftermarket fully ported heads, etc etc....not one part is a "stock" part. we have limitations, and are reliant on each others creativity, skill, passion for the project and ultimately the pocket book. So keep trying. Ill let you know what happens w/me when i consider myself well along. Good luck!
I have to disagree with the post a bit. There is a replacement for displacement, it's called technology. While a SBC(350, 383, whatever it may be) can make awesome power, they are pretty much useles on the street after aout 500-600hp. Now, my Supra was making near 700whp, and I could drive it anywhere without issue, and it would still get around 22mpg. My DSM had about 390whp on a stock bottom end, and didnt give me any grief untill it hit the 195k mark. It was hitting above 300whp since it had 78k miles on it.
While the TGP engine is hard to make fast due to lack of aftermarket, there are NUMEROUS small displacement engines that can be built to run harder than the V-8's and for near the same price.
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While the TGP engine is hard to make fast due to lack of aftermarket, there are NUMEROUS small displacement engines that can be built to run harder than the V-8's and for near the same price.
you are definately right there....like the Turbo Dodge 2.2/2.5 for instance! uh where is the '90 Daytona Turbo ES in your sig? i never hear of idbeast mention his '89 Dodge Shadow ES Turbo in his sig either, but i had an '89 Shadow ES T1 in my GTS and i ran even with a friends '00 GTP with it (i have less than $500 into the GTS). IMO boost replaces displacement and then some.
I'll will disagree with that and prove it wrong. NHRA Top Fuel dragsters are meant for nothing but the fastest possible 1/4 mile run. They run a nitro burning hemi-head V8 with a blower. A blower is not a supercharger either. They are not 4 or 6 cylinders. They are heavily forged, multi ignition, etc etc. They run 4 sec 1/4's. The latest non V8 1/4 fastest ive seen is 8 seconds, could easily be 7 by now. Even if its 6, thats still a ways from 4 and will never get there. People are far too reliant on the word technology today. And with the "technology" argument, before a 4 banger runs 4 sec 1/4's we'll all be in hybrids, hydrogens, or flying space ships.
So, I'm guessing you don't pay ANY attention to the NIRA. The ecotec 2.2L is putting out OVER 1100 HP. Kent Rudbeck here in Muncie has had his GN in the 7's for a couple years now. I will admit though, he's run out of room, but that's not even the biggest 6 to be had. He's running a Buick Racing 4.1 L block. No, nitrous either. (Afraid what would happen if he was running that :lol: ) How is a "blower" different from a Supercharger?
Quote from: TGPto_restoreI'll will disagree with that and prove it wrong. NHRA Top Fuel dragsters are meant for nothing but the fastest possible 1/4 mile run. They run a nitro burning hemi-head V8 with a blower. A blower is not a supercharger either. They are not 4 or 6 cylinders. They are heavily forged, multi ignition, etc etc. They run 4 sec 1/4's. The latest non V8 1/4 fastest ive seen is 8 seconds, could easily be 7 by now. Even if its 6, thats still a ways from 4 and will never get there. People are far too reliant on the word technology today. And with the "technology" argument, before a 4 banger runs 4 sec 1/4's we'll all be in hybrids, hydrogens, or flying space ships.
I have a lot of disagreement with this. the Ectoec is in the 6's, and so is the honda B-series. The engines you speak of are in rail crs running 4's, these are in full tube chasis and bodied cars, running 6's.
Oh, and a blower IS a supercharger. There are 2 types of supercharger. Roots type(blower) and wipple type(Vortech style, side mount).
One more thing to add. thoe rail car engines are usually torn down after every run, or at least close to it. Mos of the guys running Spo-coms dont even change engines after each race day. Yes, they have some extras if needed, but they do not get rebuilt after each pass.
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I have a lot of disagreement with this. the Ectoec is in the 6's, and so is the honda B-series. The engines you speak of are in rail crs running 4's, these are in full tube chasis and bodied cars, running 6's.
Oh, and a blower IS a supercharger. There are 2 types of supercharger. Roots type(blower) and wipple type(Vortech style, side mount).
Which ecotec car is running 6's? I thought the fastest it has ran was high 7's if it's the Cavalier I'm thinking of. http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=%7BC85F9D78-D334-4C77-999A-B9828831D404%7D date on that article is June 14th...is THAT the fastest ecotec car?
EDIT: There are also more then two types of superchargers...there are the roots style, the centifugal style, screw, and G-ladder(pretty neat..based on an OLD design, they're used on those VW Corado's).
EDIT # 2: here's a link about the G-ladder sc http://corradog60.tripod.com/g60info.html
EDIT # 3(lol): I guess all superchargers are grouped into either a postive displacement(roots, screw) or centrifugal categorie.
Quote from: maximage
I have to disagree with the post a bit. There is a replacement for displacement, it's called technology. While a SBC(350, 383, whatever it may be) can make awesome power, they are pretty much useles on the street after aout 500-600hp. Now, my Supra was making near 700whp, and I could drive it anywhere without issue, and it would still get around 22mpg. My DSM had about 390whp on a stock bottom end, and didnt give me any grief untill it hit the 195k mark. It was hitting above 300whp since it had 78k miles on it.
While the TGP engine is hard to make fast due to lack of aftermarket, there are NUMEROUS small displacement engines that can be built to run harder than the V-8's and for near the same price.
Yes, you can use technology to make a smaller engine more powerful then one with more displacement, however if you use the same technology on the bigger displacement engine, it will make more power. With all things equal for both engines, there is no replacement for displacement...period.
Shawn
Quote from: dbtk2Quote from: maximage
I have to disagree with the post a bit. There is a replacement for displacement, it's called technology. While a SBC(350, 383, whatever it may be) can make awesome power, they are pretty much useles on the street after aout 500-600hp. Now, my Supra was making near 700whp, and I could drive it anywhere without issue, and it would still get around 22mpg. My DSM had about 390whp on a stock bottom end, and didnt give me any grief untill it hit the 195k mark. It was hitting above 300whp since it had 78k miles on it.
While the TGP engine is hard to make fast due to lack of aftermarket, there are NUMEROUS small displacement engines that can be built to run harder than the V-8's and for near the same price.
Yes, you can use technology to make a smaller engine more powerful then one with more displacement, however if you use the same technology on the bigger displacement engine, it will make more power. With all things equal for both engines, there is no replacement for displacement...period.
Shawn
If that was the case, then why do they not run that technology and push those cars even harder? Because they have maxxed out the potential of the engine to make that kind of power and still make it down the track in 1 piece. They are getting closer every day to the funny car crazy speeds while running the little engines. Spcoms have not maxxed out the potential of their power plants yet, and have a few more years before they get close. I would be really surprised to not see a 6 cylinder in the 5's in the next 2-3 years.
The only advantage the larger displacement engines have is they have been around a LOT longer, so they have had the time to develope. The spocom market is still in it's fledgling stages. Give it a couple years.
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I have a lot of disagreement with this. the Ectoec is in the 6's, and so is the honda B-series. The engines you speak of are in rail crs running 4's, these are in full tube chasis and bodied cars, running 6's.
Oh, and a blower IS a supercharger. There are 2 types of supercharger. Roots type(blower) and wipple type(Vortech style, side mount).
Which ecotec car is running 6's? I thought the fastest it has ran was high 7's if it's the Cavalier I'm thinking of. http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=%7BC85F9D78-D334-4C77-999A-B9828831D404%7D date on that article is June 14th...is THAT the fastest ecotec car?
EDIT: There are also more then two types of superchargers...there are the roots style, the centifugal style, screw, and G-ladder(pretty neat..based on an OLD design, they're used on those VW Corado's).
EDIT # 2: here's a link about the G-ladder sc http://corradog60.tripod.com/g60info.html
EDIT # 3(lol): I guess all superchargers are grouped into either a postive displacement(roots, screw) or centrifugal categorie.
You are right, it wasnt an Ecotec, sorry. That is the car, I though she hit 6.99, but it was a Honda.
Here's another one for ya
http://www.importdrag.com/racers_MattHartford.shtml
V-6 car.
valid points. I can admit to not being fully knowledgeable on this ecotech motor.
however, applied to 8 cyls, more displacement is more power, period.
drawback? i dont thing OHC motors can run as gigantic of cams as the nitro burners run.
Finally, the LARGEST drawback to ANY motor putting down power, is TIRES. We need better/more.whatever rubber. ask any drager.....
Quote from: TGPto_restorevalid points. I can admit to not being fully knowledgeable on this ecotech motor.
Finally, the LARGEST drawback to ANY motor putting down power, is TIRES. We need better/more.whatever rubber. ask any drager.....
My brothers new GA, has the 2.2. I told him (Not thinking about how NEW it was) it's not a 2.2, it's a 2.4. We disagreed, so he popped the hood. And there stood the first Ecotec I have seen in a while. Man that fucker's a MONSTER. Hell it's probably 2 ft. across the cam cover. :shock:
TIRES!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Everyone should get 185's. Nitto 555R's are the DEVIL :lol: Still have to say, man, that thing HOOKED! Enough to custom forge some spider gears. :wink:
I used to run the Nittos on my Supra, those things are great!
Slicks are the best. they are nhra's biggest handicap. if those monsters arent good enough for the 4000 hp, i dont know what else is. perhaps a back to the future pt 2 hoverboard?
HTGP? hover turbo grand prix?
TGP HE? tgp hover edition?
Quote from: maximageI used to run the Nittos on my Supra, those things are great!
Yeah, I got the car back in the 'yard (well, my yard looks like a junkyard anyhow :lol: ) and she was looking at it and said, "Why is ther gravel all over your tires?" Hahahaha 8)
Quote from: god910Quote from: maximageI used to run the Nittos on my Supra, those things are great!
Yeah, I got the car back in the 'yard (well, my yard looks like a junkyard anyhow :lol: ) and she was looking at it and said, "Why is ther gravel all over your tires?" Hahahaha 8)
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