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Title: FS: 89 TGP NASCAR PACECAR $2800
Post by: TGP PACECAR on September 18, 2004, 10:08:40 AM
I am selling an original tgp nacecar pacecar.                                                                                                   My father in law bought it new from a dealer in 91 who said it was an    autoshow car.                                                                                                          VERY RARE !!   AS SEEN IN    DAYS OF THUNDER details                                                                                                       101,775miles                                                                                          I have a new front flair[needs paint]                                                                                                      interior is good, headliner is sagging,driverseat shows some wear.                                                                                                      Runs good,drive it anywhere.                                                                                               New accummulater ,O2 senser, injector.  watar pump.                                                                                                        Red /tan    cass. no sunroof                                                                                                  $2800 new price                                                                                        (//)(//)
Title: FS: 89 TGP NASCAR PACECAR $2800
Post by: Invasion1 on September 18, 2004, 01:55:37 PM
Pics???


Location???



VIN # to check with CARFAX??????



better read the F/S sticky at the top......to the listing requirements....
Title: FS: 89 TGP NASCAR PACECAR $2800
Post by: TGP PACECAR on September 18, 2004, 02:18:48 PM
Cedar lake IN U.S.A.                                                                                                             1G5WP14V4KF322813                                                                                   Not sure how to send pics[/img]
Title: FS: 89 TGP NASCAR PACECAR $2800
Post by: Invasion1 on September 18, 2004, 02:25:45 PM
need to upload pics to a server....


www.photobucket.com is one that lots of people use here.....


or email them to me and i will host them



dknechtel@msn.com

if you chose to upload them to Photo bucket


they will have a internet address for each pic......



(//internet%20address%20to%20the%20pic)


and it will appear on the site......
Title: FS: 89 TGP NASCAR PACECAR $2800
Post by: Invasion1 on September 18, 2004, 03:29:49 PM
this is the only pic i got from you


(http://ca.msnusers.com/_Secure/0TgAAACYWMFvUkbzGgp9TSYbe8tD8*dB5T7XeDXrpqZLpybeVcOly9VQVY*rmBt3cmssLL5ptubpz6wH1SEHgtq2egx8Z!s3xi7mGfoRSEsOEyM*jIDox6Q/NASCAR%20TGP.bmp?dc=4675489661193801135)
Title: FS: 89 TGP NASCAR PACECAR $2800
Post by: mfewtrail on September 19, 2004, 01:14:27 AM
Got any documentation showing that this is in fact an "official" pace car?
Title: FS: 89 TGP NASCAR PACECAR $2800
Post by: TGP PACECAR on September 19, 2004, 01:31:07 PM
No documents,just the car with decal. It use to have white                       P O N T I A C  on the front and rear windows but they were peeling so they had to come off.
Title: FS: 89 TGP NASCAR PACECAR $2800
Post by: Invasion1 on September 19, 2004, 04:41:24 PM
well its just a TGP with NASCAR stickers???



$4000 is unlikely


i bought my last 3 TGP's for under $500 each.........


yours has to be LOW miles and in showroom condition to get anywhere near $4000 bucks for it


sorry
Title: FS: 89 TGP NASCAR PACECAR $2800
Post by: TGPilot on September 20, 2004, 12:19:37 PM
CarFax...

1G5WP14V4KF322813
Report Generated for
Kenneth G Kouba
For Personal Use Only  

Since its establishment as an independent company in 1986, CARFAX has collected the largest vehicle history database in North America. This database currently includes over 3 billion records from thousands of public and private sources.

A CARFAX Vehicle History Report is based only on information supplied to CARFAX. Other information about this vehicle, including problems, may not have been reported to CARFAX. Use this report as one important tool, along with a vehicle inspection and test drive, to make a better decision about your next used car.
 
Good News -- Vehicle qualifies for the CARFAX Buyback Guarantee! No severe problems (major accidents, fire, flood damage, major odometer problems or lemon history) were ever reported by a Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) for this 1989 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX SE (1G5WP14V4KF322813). If you find that any of these severe problems were reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back.

You must register to activate this free guarantee!  

CARFAX Talking CarTM
The story of this 1989 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX SE (1G5WP14V4KF322813) according to our interpretation of the information reported to CARFAX:  
This coupe has had at least one owner. The first title for this coupe was reported to CARFAX by an Indiana DMV in 1990.
It has had no minor or moderate accidents reported to CARFAX.
It has had no DMV-reported total loss events, like a major accident, fire or flood.
It has a consistent mileage history with no indication of an odometer rollback. The last odometer reading, reported on 07/18/2001, was 100,000 miles.
It was not reported to a DMV as a Manufacturer Buyback (LEMON).
Go to the Detailed Vehicle History for the complete history and a glossary of terms.

Report Summary
1. ACCIDENT CHECK
   Total Loss Check   No Severe Accidents Reported to DMV - Buyback Guarantee!
  Other Accident Indicators    No Accident Indicators Reported
2. MILEAGE ACCURACY CHECK
   Truth-In-Mileage Check   No Odometer Problems Reported to DMV - Buyback Guarantee!
  Odometer Rollback Check    No Potential Odometer Rollback Found
  Mileage Consistency Check    No Inconsistent Odometer Reading Found
3. LEMON CHECK?
  No Mfr. Buyback Reported to DMV - Buyback Guarantee!
4. OWNERSHIP CHECK
   Number of Owners   1 Estimated Owner(s)
  Type of Owners    Checked 8 Types of Vehicle Registrations
5. RECALL CHECK
  PONTIAC Does Not Report Recalls to CARFAX
6. WARRANTY CHECK
  No Data Reported to CARFAX
DETAILED VEHICLE HISTORY 6 HISTORY RECORDS REPORTED
  Tell us what you know about this vehicle

Year/Make/Model: 1989 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX SE
 
Body Style: COUPE
Engine: 3.1L V6 MFI TURBO
Fuel: GASOLINE
Driveline: FRONT WHEEL DRIVE
Manufactured in: UNITED STATES
Safety Equipment: ABS Optional, Passive (automatic) belts

Standard Equipment: Power Windows, Power Steering, Air Conditioning, AM / FM, Power Brakes, Tilt Wheel, 6-digit Odometer
 
Total Loss Check:

GOOD NEWS! No severe damage events were ever reported by a DMV for this 1989 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX SE (1G5WP14V4KF322813). If you find that any of the following severe problems were reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back. You must register to activate this free guarantee!  

Salvage Title  Loss Due To Fire Title
Junk Title  Flood Damage Title
Rebuilt/Reconstructed Title  Hail Damage Title
Dismantled Title  Canadian Total Loss


Other Accident Indicators:

 This 1989 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX SE (1G5WP14V4KF322813) had no accident indicators reported to CARFAX from its sources. This section checks for accidents and/or related damage reported from many public and private sources. Not all accidents are reported to CARFAX. A vehicle inspection completed by your dealer or professional mechanic is recommended.  

 No Salvage Auction Record Reported    No Crash Test Vehicle Record Reported  
 No Fire Damage Record Reported    No Airbag Deployment Record Reported  
 No Police Accident Record Reported    No Damage Disclosure Record Reported  
 

CARFAX depends on public and private sources for its accident data. Each one of these sources has different processing times. CARFAX can only report what is in our database on 20.Sep.2004 13:11:17. New data will result in a change to this report.  
Not all accidents are reported to the Police. Tell us if you know of other fender benders, accidents or damage.

Truth-In-Mileage Check:  


GOOD NEWS! No major odometer problems were ever reported by a DMV under the Truth-In-Mileage Act for this 1989 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX SE (1G5WP14V4KF322813). If you find that any of the following odometer problems were reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back. You must register to activate this free guarantee!  
 
 Not Actual Mileage Title - issued by DMV when the owner discloses mileage fraud or a broken odometer.  
 Exceeds Mechanical Limits Title - issued by DMV when the owner discloses an odometer rollover.  

Odometer Rollback Check:  

CARFAX found no odometer rollbacks for this 1989 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX SE (1G5WP14V4KF322813). Rollbacks reported in this section originate from readings collected by a DMV or other verifiable source.  

Mileage Consistency Check:  

CARFAX found no inconsistent odometer readings in the mileage history of this 1989 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX SE (1G5WP14V4KF322813).  
 
 Date: Mileage:
02/12/1998 83,550    
05/17/1999 98,000    
07/18/2001 100,000    

GOOD NEWS! No manufacturer buyback was ever reported by a DMV for this 1989 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX SE (1G5WP14V4KF322813). If you find that a manufacturer buyback was reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back. You must register to activate this free guarantee!  

Ownership History:  

CARFAX estimates that this 1989 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX SE (1G5WP14V4KF322813) had 1 owner(s). CARFAX analyzed this vehicle's title history and other supporting events to identify potential ownership transfers. In compliance with the U.S. privacy laws, CARFAX does not collect or report owner names or addresses.  

Estimated Owners: Date: Location:
1st owner  No data  No data  

Types of Owners:  

This 1989 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX SE (1G5WP14V4KF322813) was checked for 8 types of registrations.  

 No Personal Use Registration Reported    No Fleet Registration Reported  
 No Lease Registration Reported    No Commercial Registration Reported  
 No Rental Registration Reported    No Non-Profit Registration Reported  
 No Taxi Registration Reported    No Built to Non U.S. Standards Record Reported  

PONTIAC does not report recall information for specific vehicles to CARFAX.  
Go to the CARFAX SAFETY & RELIABILITY REPORT for recalls issued by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration for the 1989 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX SE. You can also contact an authorized dealership or PONTIAC to find out if this 1989 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX SE (1G5WP14V4KF322813) still has recalls that require repair.  

CARFAX cannot calculate the remaining coverage for this 1989 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX SE (1G5WP14V4KF322813) because no original manufacturer warranty information was reported to CARFAX by its source.  

Estimated start date of warranty:  10/17/1990    
Last reading reported on 07/18/2001:  100,000 miles    
Today's Date:  September 20, 2004    

Type of Coverage:  Original Warranty:  
Basic No data reported to CARFAX    
Drivetrain No data reported to CARFAX    
Emissions No data reported to CARFAX    
Corrosion No data reported to CARFAX    
Transferable No data reported to CARFAX    
Roadside Assistance No data reported to CARFAX    
Safety Belt & Inflatable Restraint No data reported to CARFAX    
Specific Components No data reported to CARFAX    

CARFAX searched more than 3 billion records from over 5,300 sources and found 6 record(s) for this 1989 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX SE (1G5WP14V4KF322813).  

Date:
Mileage Reading:
Source:
General Comments:

 
10/17/1990       Indiana
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Crown Point, IN
Title #90036192005
Title issued

 
11/21/1990       Indiana
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Gary, IN
Title #90065217026
Title issued
Loan or lien reported

 
01/24/1997       Indiana
Inspection Station
Passed emissions inspection

 
02/12/1998  83,550  Indiana
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Dyer, IN
Title #98036025042
Title issued

 
05/17/1999  98,000  Indiana
Inspection Station
Passed emissions inspection

 
07/18/2001  100,000  Indiana
Inspection Station
Passed emissions inspection

End of report... 8)
Title: FS: 89 TGP NASCAR PACECAR $2800
Post by: TGP PACECAR on September 21, 2004, 07:21:38 PM
idbeast once posted he thought there were around 12 pacecars. March 23 ,03    w-body...  turbo grand prix
Title: FS: 89 TGP NASCAR PACECAR $2800
Post by: TGPilot on September 22, 2004, 08:39:38 AM
Only problem is...anyone can put stickers on a car. The ricers prove that everyday with high performance aftermarket manufacturer stickers and they have nothing under the hood.

I am not saying you are a liar or anything...but without some sort of documentation proving it was a "Pace-Car" it will not sell for anything more than a fair shape (as you described) Turbo Grand Prix. They can be had for much much less than your asking price.

I would try to research the VIN# somehow to prove it was in fact a Pace Car. I have no idea how you would do that...but if you want anything near to your asking price...you need to prove it's history... 8)
Title: FS: 89 TGP NASCAR PACECAR $2800
Post by: Gearhead43 on September 22, 2004, 05:08:56 PM
This is the real mcCoy:

(http://pages.prodigy.net/gearhead43/DavesGP/images/89tgppacecar.jpg)

You can see the correct decal placements for the TGP pace car . The decals on the door of this one for sale do not appear to match the real one. Still it could have been used at a different track. I would call Ponitac Historical Services and see if they can assist in locating the proper documentation needed to verify this TGP served as a ACTUAL PACE CAR.
Title: FS: 89 TGP NASCAR PACECAR $2800
Post by: 90TGP on September 22, 2004, 05:22:21 PM
The NASCAR decal is in the right location.
Title: FS: 89 TGP NASCAR PACECAR $2800
Post by: TurboGTU on September 23, 2004, 02:16:45 AM
Most Indy Berettas I've seen have the Date of the pacecar on there....kind of like how that pic of the legit Pace car has on the door. But most are missing or are taken off. Could be the real deal. The only way is to see in person the Condition of the rear decals...do they look old and sunbaked. Most Pace cars I've seen have decals or trim in the interrior stating pace car..or Indy on the Beretta.

I've seen Junked Grand Natinals go for more.
Title: FS: 89 TGP NASCAR PACECAR $2800
Post by: TGP PACECAR on September 25, 2004, 03:15:39 PM
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Title: FS: 89 TGP NASCAR PACECAR $2800
Post by: waskie on September 28, 2004, 01:18:15 PM
http://web.archive.org/web/20000915094408/http://www.cornbowl.com/tgp/vidcaps.htm


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Title: Re: FS: 89 TGP NASCAR PACECARnew price $2800
Post by: TGP PACECAR on November 02, 2004, 07:08:11 AM
Quote from: TGP PACECARI am selling an original tgp nacecar pacecar.                                                                                                   My father in law bought it new from a dealer in 91 who said it was an    autoshow car.                                                                                                          VERY RARE !!   AS SEEN IN    DAYS OF THUNDER details                                                                                                       101,775miles                                                                                          I have a new front flair[needs paint]                                                                                                      interior is good, headliner is sagging,driverseat shows some wear.                                                                                                      Runs good,drive it anywhere.                                                                                               New accummulater ,O2 senser, injector.  watar pump.                                                                                                        Red /tan    cass. no sunroof                                                                                                 $ 2800                                                                                          (//)(//)