can turbo insalation catch fire or smoke? its the silver padding stuff around it, cause i finally got my car to start cause its been cold, what it did was it started just fine, then shudderd then died, then i treid again, it cranked and cranked put put put gave it gas VROOM just fine, but smoke started coming off the turbo, or steam, i dont know wich, i had to hood open and it snowed cause i was charging the battery, and it seemed to come from either under or on the turbo insulation, but after 5 or 6 revs it stopped steaming or smoking wichever it was
any feedback?
I've heard it can smoke a lot, at least when new. Doesn't catch fire though.. that'd kinda defy the point :lol:
lol its far from new, its been Sub zero temps latley, and it hasnt been started for a while, and today it edged up to 14 degrees or so, so i tried to start it, and that happend
Quote from: Prospeederlol its far from new, its been Sub zero temps latley, and it hasnt been started for a while, and today it edged up to 14 degrees or so, so i tried to start it, and that happend
If it was raw gas from your engine not starting right away then that may have been the cause, it would be good to know for sure if it was gas, there is also a fuel line above that area that can leak, but if its just from inside the exhaust pipes then thats ok, it just found its way out the cracks around the turbo to down pipe, pretty common since most OEM pipes get a lot of taken off and replaced :lol: If it did not smell like gas then I would check for this the next time you start your enigne and see if it smells like raw exhaust, cold weather like this will help identify a leak in the exhaust in that area, might have to part the blankets some just be VERY carefull as the blankets are very fragile!!!
Its -13 here so quit bragging about it being warm there at 14 degrees :lol:
Jeff M
ok, i started it again, its mabye 28-30 degrees, it started, then died, then started, i gave it some gas, it stayd on, but there was exhaust coming from around the turbo area, i hope its not my xover, please dont be, it never stalls ever, it smells like exhaust, after it warms up for 25-30 seconds u cant see the exhaust anymore, but u can smell it. And at the first start of starting, mabye 10-15 seconds, it blows black smoke, o2 sensor making it run too rich and not letting it start well mabye?
You can almost guarantee to yourself that the x-over is shot, almost all of them will crack. You should know that you can still run the car like that, but you will never know how well it can run without replacing that pipe.
damnit, now i gotta save 425$ for a frickin thing. why so exspensive
All things considered it's not that bad at all. GM wants over $1500 for the thing and is still prone to failure. I've had one of Jeff M's for 5 years now and no problems! The first one he sent me cracked, but he sent a new one with flex bellows, reinstalled it and it's still holding on, more than 35,000 miles on it now.
If you can't change it I'm sure Jim W (idbeast) would be more than willing to change that pipe for a small fee.. he's done it at least 5 times now. (sorry Jim) :lol: He could probably do it in an hour.
Quote from: Prospeederdamnit, now i gotta save 425$ for a frickin thing. why so exspensive
If you saw one in person and saw how nice the thing is, you would know why its so much.
ok, great, well, at least i can still drive it
Not only can I install it I have one sitting on the floor next to me that I'm going to put in the 2nd TSTE. I've done 9 of them!!! I think the only one who has done more is Jeff M :shock: :shock:
will driving with a cracked xover do anything bad to the rest of my motor? im not into screwing everything else up. How do these work, like, isnt it just exhaust going through? why would it make the car run so badly?
Pulls in outside air, lets exhaust escape, runs rich taking out the O2 sensor in a very short time... to name a few.
oh.... well this wont damage my motor if i run on it for a while till i get some money will it?
The only thing that I could think would be harmed was the cat converter from such a rich condition. Mine was plugged totally at around 120k, about 10k after I changed the pipe.
If he runs with a cracked pipe that extra air making his o2 tell the computer to run rich will also plug his catalytic converter, and running rich all the time will have excess fuel diluting the lubricating oil around his piston rings and piston skirt, eventually mixing back into the engine reducing its lubricating properties. :shock:
AHHHHH!!! so it will in the long run destroy my motor!! Better talk to my dad, :(
In the long run it will eventually damage some things, but now would be a good time to get saving and ready to get some of these parts installed, O2 sensors aren't that cheap if I remember correctly.. almost $30. I don't necessarily know how long they typically lasted, but when I got my car with 100k I replaced it because it was running awful, tons of black smoke, I think that I went through 2 by the end of the first year I had it. Replaced the pipe and haven't done it since.
In comparison 02 sensors for these cars are cheap. Heated 02 sensors are around $100 IIRC, be glad we don't have those. I believe my dad paid around $110-120 for the one for his GTP, but I could be wrong. I wouldn't consider $30 cheap, but its much cheaper than it could be.
Shawn
Quote from: dbtk2In comparison 02 sensors for these cars are cheap. Heated 02 sensors are around $100 IIRC, be glad we don't have those. I believe my dad paid around $110-120 for the one for his GTP, but I could be wrong.
Yeah, that's about the going rate for the newer O2s. As for the 3.1 O2s, the aftermarket ones can be picked up pretty cheap. I believe the Bosch ones are about $17 or so. But I've heard time and time again that aftermarket O2 sensors are complete crap. Jeff M offers the GM ones for $40, which is the price
I get them for from my Pontiac dealer parts guy, so I know Jeff is basically selling them for wholesale (which is as cheap as it's going to get for the average consumer). The retail is around $65 on it, which is what everyone else would be paying for it from the dealer, so I'd definitely pick it up from Jeff if you're going OEM.
if i were to take this to a mechanic or a dealer for the install of the xover, how long would it take for installation? (warmed way up to almost 50 degreees today, started just fine, didnt die, still exhaust smell under hood, it seemed to run hot when idleing, no heater a/c nothing, no air on, and the fans would have to come on now and then, and it had a VERY rough idle, and no black smoke
It depends on the mechanic. Just make sure you know your mechanics know how to turn a wrench. My mechanic did it for the first time on my car, and took him 2-days [he wanted to make sure everything was right and followed Jeff's instructions step-by-step] to swap the x-overs.
oh the xovers come w/ instuctions? cool, so im lookin at some big money to install
considering that most places charge $45-65 per hour, and at least a 6 hour job, although the books probably say it will be more, you will be looking at at least $300-$400 to have a dealer change it. find someone that will do it for you that has some talent with tools, or talk with someone close to you and maybe they will do if for a reasonable fee. I could seriously change that pipe and have it running again in 4-5 hrs tops. A mechanic that halfway knows what he's doing should be able to match that.
hmm, damn, thats expnsive, 800+ to have a stupid pipe, these motors ARE SO COMPACT in there, u cant even get to the freaking battery without takin half the motor apart :x
Quote from: idbeastNot only can I install it I have one sitting on the floor next to me that I'm going to put in the 2nd TSTE. I've done 9 of them!!! I think the only one who has done more is Jeff M :shock: :shock:
You need to talk to your in state people, as I stated previously... hint hint
lol, ok, if ud like to drive Allllllll the way from olympia to Omak be my guest, but u gotta wait till i get the thing, how much would u charge me to do it?
You drive down here, and help me do it as I have a broken leg (2 1/2 weeks ago) Do it on the weekend I'll feed you dinner and let you spend the night, then go home the next day.
Cost is about $40 = 3 cases of beer. You won't get it done cheaper anywhere else, Plus I can do them in my sleep!!!
lol, well, ull have to wait a while then, mabye by the time i get it u will have ur leg ok, 40$ im so frickin goin over there