I have 2 Grand Prix.
And non whith braks..... :oops:
Is this a standard problem om this cars ?
Where do i start......to finde the problem ?
Not enough info.
Are they both TGP's with pmIII?
ABS light, brake light?
Leaks?
Motor runs ? If so how long at start up?
This is just a start. Be explicit on your description of what they do or don't do and I am sure you will get some help. We have all had problems with brakes.
Sweden, I bet parts are a bitch to come by there. :cry:
Jud
Quote from: sleeperred90tgpNot enough info.
Are they both TGP's with pmIII?
ABS light, brake light?
Leaks?
Motor runs ? If so how long at start up?
Ok. I will get more info.
One is a TGP.....one is std 3.1 coupe (-89)
After a quick look, there is the same system...??
Parts are no problen in Sweden......and my frend works whith american cars all day. And we ship 8-10 containers, part and cars/year from Florida.
But we have never done a brakingsystem om GP.
I think he is going to be in for an experience just based on how unique the PMIII (Power Master 3, or commonly referred to around here as Wallet Thinner 3). :roll:
Today I have started to study the fucking brakesystem........in a book 5" thick............. :? :cry: :evil: :shock:
I think the best thing for you to do would be to get a picture of the ABS pump under the hood and let us get a good look at it.. describe to us exactly what is happening, are there lights flashing? No pressure on the pedal?
Hello Hakan,
The problem with the Powermaster 3 is that the internal parts for them are not available. They have a problem with the back casting cracking and No aftermarket parts are available. You do have a way to get it fixed,
http://www.priorreman.com/ has a remanufactured unit, part number 4600107 with a new back piece that they machine out of a solid aluminum block.
Go to these sites and browse through them, there is a lot of good info on them. Turbograndprix is mine and Jeff M's he is THE TGP guru
Go to these site and browse through them, there is a lot of good info on them. Turbograndprix is Jeff M and my site, he is THE TGP guru.
http://www.turbograndprix.com/
http://www.turbograndprix.com/favorite.htm
http://home.comcast.net/~aldridgec/
http://www.w-body.com/index2.html
Quote from: RW89TGPI think the best thing for you to do would be to get a picture of the ABS pump under the hood and let us get a good look at it.. describe to us exactly what is happening, are there lights flashing? No pressure on the pedal?
We have two cars , one turbo and one non turbo, with same problem.
ABS light flash.....pedal pressure (little to low).....but no brakes.
Quote from: idbeastThey have a problem with the back casting cracking and No aftermarket parts are available. You do have a way to get it fixed,
Do you have a pic on the part ??
I'm assuming that you have checked the fluid level, if it is OK then you need to get the Prior Remaned unit, I have 4 turbo grand prix's, had 5 a few months ago, so I've dealt with this issue for many years until I found out about Prior.
I even have a spare one sitting here in the computer room on the floor still in the box! :shock:
Today I took the Powermaster 3 out of my GPT.
How do I take the mastercylinder appart.....?????
I have removed the steel ring.....and the aluminium thing, with the rubber rings. But I can?t get the pistons out.
Someone have a drawing....so I can see how it is constructed.
Quote from: idbeastHello Hakan,
The problem with the Powermaster 3 is that the internal parts for them are not available. They have a problem with the back casting cracking and No aftermarket parts are available. You do have a way to get it fixed,
http://www.priorreman.com/ has a remanufactured unit, part number 4600107 with a new back piece that they machine out of a solid aluminum block.
Again, GM does NOT make this information available, in the factory manual; it shows how to remove the solenoids under the fluid reservoir, and how to remove the external parts, but nothing on the internals.
I have the factory manuals and all the supplements... but again there are NO pictures of what you want.
I can get you a picture of the Prior Reman unit that I have, I broke my leg a little over two 1/2 weeks ago so I'll need to get the Old Lady to help me get my camera, and get it out of the box if you want a picture of it.
Quote from: idbeastAgain, GM does NOT make this information available, in the factory manual
I knew that GM does not wont us in ther...
But someone......curious, like me......most have splitted one..???
Im not going to by a new one.......for mor money then I spent on buying the car.
So....im going to split it.....
Damn Jim a broken leg. :cry: How the heck did you do that? I guess that makes 3 in 22 days.
Get well soon.
Jud
Quote from: sleeperred90tgpDamn Jim a broken leg. :cry: How the heck did you do that? I guess that makes 3 in 22 days.
Get well soon.
Jud
No that was the first one of the year, so I'm still at 2! :lol:
I thought I'd try bungee jumping at work, but didn't have a short enough rubber band!
I've been working on a wrecked locomotive that had hit a earth mover with a lowboy trailer, and I was taking off some tweaked main body cover doors when one popped and hit me in the head (hard hat was on) and it knocked me off the locomotive, a six+ foot drop! And it's my right leg near ankle. I'll know in a week if it is OK or they will have to put screws in it. :shock: :oops:
Quote from: ButterflyRacingQuote from: idbeastAgain, GM does NOT make this information available, in the factory manual
I knew that GM does not wont us in ther...
But someone......curious, like me......most have splitted one..???
Im not going to by a new one.......for mor money then I spent on buying the car.
So....im going to split it.....
I have an exploded view diagram of the PMIII unfortunately it is on my home computer and I'm here at school. If nobody else gets to it first, I'll have it emailed to me so I can get it to you as soon as someone is home there.
Quote from: tyroeliteI have an exploded view diagram of the PMIII unfortunately it is on my home computer and I'm here at school. If nobody else gets to it first, I'll have it emailed to me so I can get it to you as soon as someone is home there.
:D T.Y
Quote from: tyroeliteQuote from: ButterflyRacingQuote from: idbeastAgain, GM does NOT make this information available, in the factory manual
I knew that GM does not wont us in ther...
But someone......curious, like me......most have splitted one..???
Im not going to by a new one.......for mor money then I spent on buying the car.
So....im going to split it.....
I have an exploded view diagram of the PMIII unfortunately it is on my home computer and I'm here at school. If nobody else gets to it first, I'll have it emailed to me so I can get it to you as soon as someone is home there.
http://www.members.aol.com/platjblser/images/pmIII.jpg
^AOL still hasn't removed the stuff I had hosted w/ them. 8)
Quote from: mfewtrail
http://www.members.aol.com/platjblser/images/pmIII.jpg
^AOL still hasn't removed the stuff I had hosted w/ them. 8)
Tank you........but there is no view on the inside of mastercylinder.
I`m happy today :D
After taking the hole PM3 apart.....and cleaned everyting, we started to get a grip on the construction....and what part there was inside.
After a few hours of measuring and scratching our heads......everything fall in place. The internal part are the same as Firebird/Fiero.
I`m going to need three repairkits.....but they are cheap.... :D
There is two small rubber- rings.......behind the insex-plugs, in the front of the mastercylinder....I dont know where to find. But I dont need them.....the old one will do.
The rest of the parts is normal O-rings.
Take some pictures and detail the parts, so we all can see!!! :shock: :wink:
Thanks!
Quote from: idbeastTake some pictures and detail the parts, so we all can see!!! :shock: :wink:
Thanks!
Hakan...when you take the pictures I will host them for you on my webpage if you would like. Send the pictures to kenneth.kouba@mfmllc.com
Quote from: idbeastTake some pictures and detail the parts, so we all can see!!! :shock: :wink:
Thanks!
I cant take pictures of the PM3........have olredy but it together.... :oops:
Did you find anything interesting inside the PMIII and
what parts kits did you use to rebuild it????
My PMIII appears to have internal leakage, so it looks like it
will have to be rebuilt..
Quote from: herb427scDid you find anything interesting inside the PMIII and
what parts kits did you use to rebuild it????
You can find the main parts in a rebuildkit for 1" Firebird/Fiero cylinder.
You need three kits, and some O-rings.
Its not an easy jobb....so be careful.
The reason my cyl did?nt work........someone had used the wrong fluid.
The PM3 is still sitting in the workshop..........I haven`t been well