So what size and thickness and what not of aftermarket Transmission coolers is everyone running? I pretty much totally fucked the mounting on mine taking it off to get to the facia bolts, some were so rusty that it actualy spun the little clips and ripped right through the coolers metal, lol, AND the plastic airbox lookin think on top of it it mount on is so rusted on im gonna have to rip it off, so ill be getting a new cooler, aftermarket of course. So Any suggestions? And where to mount it?
Make sure to mount it close to the Whirling Vortex created by the lower valence to maximize the cooling :icon_razz:
Quote from: Invasion1 on May 30, 2006, 11:25:26 PM
Make sure to mount it close to the Whirling Vortex created by the lower valence to maximize the cooling :icon_razz:
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I have a 15,000lbs B&M on the TSTE. Size is about 20" x 16" x 3/4"...I can measure it if you want tonight. Need to pull the radiator to fix a leak anyway.
Where did you mount it at?
Passengers side if front of the radiator. Works perfectly! :icon_cool:
oh cool, how does it mount on the radiator? like on the Radiator support? I dont see hwo you screw it on or what you screw it into, obviously not the radiator, lol
Quote from: Prospeeder on May 31, 2006, 10:20:28 PM
oh cool, how does it mount on the radiator? like on the Radiator support? I dont see hwo you screw it on or what you screw it into, obviously not the radiator, lol
Most people zip tie them to the radiator core from what I've seen. The coolers don't weigh much, so a couple zip ties would work fine.
My B&M came with a sort of zip tie. It is a plastic rod with burs on it that pushes through the radiator core and tranny cooler. Then a plastic cap grabs the burs on the rod and you push it tight...kind of like a zip tie but no loop. :icon_cool:
Quote from: TGPilot on June 01, 2006, 07:12:55 AM
My B&M came with a sort of zip tie. It is a plastic rod with burs on it that pushes through the radiator core and tranny cooler. Then a plastic cap grabs the burs on the rod and you push it tight...kind of like a zip tie but no loop. :icon_cool:
My old TGP had an aftermarket fan that was fastened to the radiators with a few of those things. They ended up wearing holes through the core.
I'd recommend against mounting anything to the radiator.
If you use the cushions supplied there is no chance of that. If they are tight enough they will not allow any rubbing and there is no issue. They have been using that fastener system for 20 years without issue if they are done properly.
interesting, zip ties, lol, where dou buy these kits with the burred plastic zip tie like things. any pics of these installs?
hacks :laugh: I had to use those at one time but only because I was gonna need a re-core soon anyway so after that, I had mounts welded on for the aftermarket fan. when I get my tranny cooler I will have mounts welded on for it too.
those mounting kits with the cushions and burred zip tie lookin things, do they got like through the radiator, like if i wanted to put it in the middle i could?
You can mount the cooler anywhere you want. I ended up having to remove my radiator in the TSTE because of a seem leak....I should have taken pictures of the install. :icon_redface: My suggestion would be to remove the radiator and put the mounting ties through the condensor so that if you have a problem like I did, you can just remove the radiator and not have to dink with the trans cooler.
My trans cooler was in place for 6 months and there was not a single wear mark on the condensor or on the radiator from the B&M ties. Like I said if you mount it correctly and follow the directions for proper tension like they say...you will not have a problem.
GangstGP I think you are one of the EXTREME FEW that seems to have a problem with EVERYTHING! :icon_rolleyes: :icon_cool:
I didnt have a problem, mine needed a recore anyway. and I got the copper style push thru fasteners. still, that way is ghetto.
alright cool, im Not remiving the radiator, lol, im not messing with anymore of the rusty shit on this car for awhile
if your gonna replace the radiator anytime soon you could buy an aftermarket rad with a tranny cooler built in....that would be nice! i don't know how well those work though?? and are the tranny cooolers you guys are running thermostaticaly controlled??
my radiator is just fine, it doesnt need replaced.
So with those kits, the little ziptie like think just slips though the fins and out the other side then, thats cool, im gonna order one here pretty quick, ima just reuse my stocker its pretty large, it will work just fine.
Quote from: GangstGP on June 04, 2006, 01:05:33 PM
still, that way is ghetto.
Ok...when you say it is "ghetto" to me that sounds like it is put together like crap. Not good craftsmanship....rigged! :icon_cool:
The stock cooler is good sized and thick. Just in a bad location to save on space I guess. If you were to front mount it I think it would work pretty good also. :icon_cool:
I got friends running all aluminum rads and intercoolers with custom made aluminum brackets and it looks real good so if I needed to mount something up there it would be a top notch solid bolt on deal. I didnt have good luck with those copper push thru spikes, they wore a hole in the rad. plastic might not do as much damage though. and I dont think I would use the aux cooler up there if thats what you mean. I would be looking for something bigger like a new aluminum one that can really keep the temps down.
I think it will be ok, This isnt a race car, i dont need some honkin trans cooler for a midsize car thats not pulling anything.
I think what I'm gonna do with mine is link up two of the stock coolers together in front of the radiator somewhere (I have two spares laying around anyway, so why not). Depending how it works out, maybe I'll just ditch the one in the stock location altogether.
..obviously, make sure you're adding extra fluid to compensate for the larger volume you have to fill..
Quote from: Prospeeder on June 05, 2006, 07:02:09 PM
I think it will be ok, This isnt a race car, i dont need some honkin trans cooler for a midsize car thats not pulling anything.
the tgp is more of a full size car though :icon_confused: and the torque of the motor is def. full size type application. yes a big ass aluminum radiater would be ideal. you need to at least out-do the stock set-up.
Just remember, you can over cool the Transmission Fluid.
There is no thermostat for the tranny cooler.
have you ever heard of a tranny wearing out prematurely or losing performance from too good of a cooling system? I only have heard just the opposite, that a tranny runs too hot and it only lasts 10,000 miles or less.
so, is performing the TB bypass gonna overcool the TB as well? only at like 0 degrees farenheit, or like 10 degrees below 0 maybe
I have heard of NUMEROUS non-performance based transmissions being prematurely damaged by overcooling the trans fluid. There are two transmission shops in town who use a bypass valve they install for the aftermarket cooler when not towing something so it does not cool too much. Now that is on heavier duty diesel pushers...but they also recommended I do not use my 15,000 B&M on the TSTE in the winter months because of the same overcooling issues. They did not try to sell me the bypass...they just advised against the cooler in the cold months. :icon_cool:
Quote from: GangstGP on June 06, 2006, 01:04:11 PM
have you ever heard of a tranny wearing out prematurely or losing performance from too good of a cooling system? I only have heard just the opposite, that a tranny runs too hot and it only lasts 10,000 miles or less.
so, is performing the TB bypass gonna overcool the TB as well? only at like 0 degrees farenheit, or like 10 degrees below 0 maybe
What does the Throttle Body bypass have to do with Trans Coolers????
so you say it will fail if its too cool? or do you know? I KNOW they will fail if they get too hot.
like what happens when the oil is too cold? it gets a little thicker right? too hard for the pump to push it? more reasoning please.
and the TB can seize if it gets too cold and ices over. this has happened to me one night when I started the car and drove it when it was super cold outside and my car was a rolling iceberg.
I could see a monster cooler being used on a race car, but not on a daily driver car like mine will be
what about relocating and upgrading the aux cooler and keeping the radiater hooked up in the system as well?
well im just going to be putting my stock aux cooler in a place where it will get alot of airflow in front of the radiator, no reason getting rid of it through the rad. The stocker is pretty damn thick and isnt that small
Of course you have heard of failures when the fluid gets too hot. Everything has a failure point when it comes to temperature.
In a lot of cars the tranny fluid is pushed through the radiator as well as an aux cooler. In the cold winter months the fluid is heated in the radiator to prevent poor lubrication during cold mornings, afternoons and nights. You may also recall being recommended to drop to a thinner oil during the winter months to avoid dry starts in the engine, this is the same philosophy.
Granted that most concern is with a trans taking heavy torque loads twice to 3x what we put down, but still the point is not moot. Now you've heard of it.
Ok i need help. I think i may have my lines backwards, does it Come from the trans, through the radiator, THEN to the trans cooler then back to the trans, or is it to the Trans cooler, then to the radiator, then back to the transmission!!!
I have it set up so it goes to the radiator, then out from the Radiator goes to the top of the Cooler then out to bottom then back to the trans, wich is how i thought it was setup, but im not sure now
no, what you want is it to go through the aux. cooler, then through the rad. and then back to the car. so the line coming out the top fitting on the rad. is the one coming out of the aux cooler. then it goes out the bottom of the rad. and back to the tranny.
fuck, i got it backwards then, god damnit, i hope i dont have to get more line
Quote from: Prospeeder on July 09, 2006, 11:23:46 PM
frick, i got it backwards then, god damnit, i hope i dont have to get more line
why dont you just bring it back to stock and have that little tube funnel air back to thw fender well. arent you getting your valence here pretty soon?
I am going to start manufacturing fiberglass air scoops for the TGP so that your tranny will still stay cool even if the valence is broken. they will probably only come out three to six inches and you wont be able to see it unless you pretty much lay on the ground. so its doubtful it will block as much air from hitting the rad as the front mount would. I have seen other air scoops for the TGP but never seen one like the one I am talking about. it will clamp into the end of the tube that the aux cooler draws from. this way it won't rely on the turbulence the valence produces. at least not 100%.
oh well the mounts for the trans cooler are MAJORLY screwed, like theres no way in HELL its ever going back in the stock location
You've got nothing but good luck eh 'speeder?
ha i know, now the injectors are filling my oil up with gas, lol, how fun! It idles like complete shit and slams into gear even after i put a new modulator and check valve in. (downshift) Not to mention I still need to repaint my front end from my stupid collision, but hey i got my Valence
did you figure out how to adjust the tv cable yet? I found out an awesome new way to get the thing so tight. my new car shifts TOO tight. I will be going around a corner and before I can straighten out its already in 2nd gear and never downshifts. I never got one to shift this early. I might have to back it off a little.
Fits like a glove! The bottom went right in the lip of the bottom support.....fit right inline with the stock cooler too and we even used the stock lines into the trans :)
http://home.earthlink.net/~z284pwr/grand_prix/P1010024_small.jpg
Gotta keep a trans with a 3000 stall converter cool and happy :laugh: