They are Eagle Alloys 077's 18 X 8 polished aluminum with 245-40-18 Hankook Ventus HRII tires.
I painted the calipers the same gold as the engine.
Yes....I need a tripod. Let me know what you think.
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Went to a wedding this weekend so I had my sister take a couple pics of me and my TGP all cleaned up. :lol:
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SICK!! :icon_eek: :icon_eek:
Car looks awesome Matt!!!
I like those better then the Xlaces forsure
Once again, I have to go against the grain here and say that I liked the X-Laces much better...
oh i can't wait to paint my other TGP black and go through it, top to bottom and front to back, someday i will have a black TGP that looks like that. NICE!
Looks nice man! I am not one for chrome or polished wheels...but that looks sharp. :thumb:
Thanks guys!!
UPDATE SIG PIC...... ;)
looks awesome!!! what's the offset on them? looks like they could come out a little futher to better fill out the flares.
looks nice! gaps though....TGP's should have come lower than a regular grand prix......a lot lower!!! oh and another classic w-body decision.....everyone around the w-body scene gets these wheels.....or a set of "new stock wheels" looks pretty aswome reguardless! do you have HID's on there? fooling me if they aren't! also can you tell a difference in performance with bigger wheels/tell its slower!??!
Totally Jeleous, that look insanly nice. Those goldies were nasty lookin, it looks freakin awsome now. You should get some of those HID or cool blues or what ever for the foglights also
I've got an 8000K HID kit in the lowbeams.
I plan on purchasing a birchmount and intrax springs soon to take care of the wheel gap.
There is not difference in performance because the overall diameter of the tire/rim combo is actually very close to stock.
Stock TGP rims have a +20mm offset I believe and these 077's have a +38mm offset. I have spacers that measure 8mm that I plan on installing so that would give me a +30mm offset.
In order to acheive stock looking offset I'd have to buy 18mm spacers and use longer wheel studs.
As for the people who like the x-laces better, I HATE cleaning x-laces, they are a pain in the ass.
Thanks for all the comments.
Dude, so much good to say :icon_eek:; lots of high level attention to detail in researching your setup with offsets and overall height and such, later maybe some lowering to keep board members happy :icon_lol: detailing the calipers, then on to the rest of the car with 8k HID (in my TSTE too :icon_mrgreen:) and proper yellow fogs, lots to comment on and all positive :thumb: . Rims do look bad-ass on the 2-door, would look goofy on my 4-door but on your car, proper! For those that still have gold crosslace, Wheel Clean!!!!! a flat black insert that goes behind the rim, in 6 years hardly any brake dust every shows up on my gold crosslace, and they are on to stay since I paid to have them refinished, had these on my first TGP back in 1990, and on all three cars now and no problems at all! If you don't mind, seeing your 18s I would like to share my 18s that are on my TSTE, Kumho Ecsta SPT 235/45/18 with room to go 245 but don't want the daily 4-door to have too heavy of a tire.
I won't put my pic here as I do not want to steal your thread, even then if you would prefer for it to go away, let me know :icon_cool:
http://www.turbograndprix.com//TSTERims003.jpg
Nice clean Black TGP with blacked-out headlights, after owning these for 16 years just cannot find anything that looks this good :icon_biggrin: or course we all have our own taste, so what ever turns on the other guy is......what he should drive!
Jeff M
Thanks Jeff! The rims on your TSTE look really nice too. That entire car looks very clean.
Thanks :icon_cool:. Enough of the pealing paint problem had been painted before I got it so that helps, though a custom fender bender idea did not turn out so well on the other side :icon_cry: I can't wait to finish my black TGP up enough to drive it and rip some pavement, still my favorite to drive and look at when I come out to a parking lot, that's all I need to keep me loving it when you come out and it still makes you grin :icon_mrgreen:, I am sure you know the feeling :icon_cool:. Only problem I found when others see the car is their need to mess with it, so other than some different wheel locks (smooth on the outside) got these to keep people from messing with my rides:
http://www.spin-caps.com/
Not sure how your valve stems are setup but they offer a few different versions, long ones and short one depending on your length of valve stem neck, but the idea is for this device to cover the black rubber of your valve stem and dress that part up as well add a theft deterrent. Also the 2 sets of rims I did had the same "covered" approach to a standard/real chrome valve stem, so that part was basically swapped for the one that came with these spin caps. There is another type of security cap but you have to pick a logo, of which none are all that great :icon_rolleyes:
Another that for some reason has no web site :icon_rolleyes: is Air Jak Flush Valve Stem 410-956-0240, there is no valve stem until you remove the dress-up cap and screw in your (all metal) valve stem for air pressure needs, totally flush and very clean when put back together, you just need a wheel that has a valve stem hole on a flat surface like on wide lip rims :icon_mrgreen: of which I don't have on my Grand Prixs.
Best of luck with everything, still enjoying looking again at your pics :icon_mrgreen:!
Jeff M
Looks damn nice!
If you want some 'whiter' driving/fog lights, try breaking the yellow lens out in the inside of the light housing. It's a small glass lens that the bulb fits inside of when it's inserted in to the light housing. Breaking those out gets rid of the nasty yellow look.
the fog lights already got that filliment taken out (i did it) the headlight covers make those look more yellow, as well as the HID a little more purple/
:dunno: no like having yellow fog lights? :icon_eek: no one more than me understands personal preference and supports personal taste differences of others but someone really not liking the yellow fogs :icon_confused: Once those great fog lenses are aimed (down!!!) properly they do one hell of a job lighting the road all the way into the ditches and up to the area where the headlights are at/taking it from there, and with yellow you get some of the other end of the color spectrum that is more truer (the sun is not that blue as these 8k+ HIDs :laugh:, and I have and love my 8ks) and together with the 8ks or whatevers you really get a good idea of the road and whats on it. I have to admit the yellow is not the best for cutting fog but its better than getting whiter, what i found in my truck is those amber bulbs from PIAA are actually a big improvement over a yellow fog light bulb, and in a test (oh the stupid things I did/still do?) I had these ambers in my projector fogs and headlights (yep, no other lights :laugh:) and one night driving 70-80 on a deserted highway in nasty fog it appeared to be working great, come to find better than I had expect as I came up on a few cars that were going really slow/much slower than me, that as I passed I could see their headlight beam in the dense fog and could see they were running blind, no wonder they were going to slow, I looked over at my side of the road and it looked normal like no fog that night, it was shockingly better. But that was stupid fun running 4 ambers and no whites, but there was plenty of "light" on the road to see other times, but being that impressed I have tried to keep something running a fog with these PIAA ambers, trouble is the stupid 881 27 watt indicator bulb they stick in these fogs, yea I have said it many times over the years to go with a 50 watt 885 but no ambers from PIAA in these types of bulbs so, hack-it-up ghetto style :icon_twisted: get some amber H3s in 55 watt and take off the bulb and graft it to an 885 base, fun but now got useful fogs and with some real watts. Last piece of experimenting I did, on an old fog light housing that needed to be replaced I grafted in 100 watt H3s to test the melting point of the housing :laugh:, it got very warm but never pushing it enough to make me avoid it, though long term the plastic might yellow or dry up or something so I never ran them permanent, but at least running 55 watts in there seems very safe.
Enough info dump, later.
Jeff M
Yea, I figured the yellow lenses were gone.. never hurts to suggest though. That was the first thing I did to both TGP's after we purchased them.. I love the fog lights, just hate the yellow color.
Jeff, I've ran the 55 watt bulbs in our fogs (in both the TGP's) and it makes a decent difference on the road. I've got the damn things aimed pretty far down and we still get flashed from on coming traffic sometimes.. :icon_cool:
Wow, missed this somehow.
Very nice looking indeed :) looks very killer. Are you HIDs just "headlights bulbs" Or an actually balast HID bulb setup....if so, any pictures shooting against a garage to see how bad the glare is? Still look nice :)
Oh Jeff, I did the H3 conversion thing and I can't get the foglights aimed down enough to do ANY good at all? They are bottomed out and still do nothing for lighting the road?
1 more thing, where to go to get these brake dust cover things, I need some, my brakes are way bad with dust :icon_mad:
Yea I understand, yellow can have an odd look, especially since I think the bluer the better :icon_cool:. And if one has lost its yellow glass ring, my as well make them both match :icon_wink:.
Both you guys with the H3 conversion did not state if it was an 800 series bulb that came with a 55 watt upgrade or you grafted an H3 bulb on yourself? In either case I found with grafting mine on that if the bulb stuck out too far from the base/too far from where it was stock then the filament did not hit the reflective backing of the light housing properly and went bright all over and no longer a contained beam where you could control the aim onto the road. Best test was to pull about 10 to 15 feet away from a closed garage door (or any building wall or whatever) and compare next to each other the upgraded/mod?d bulb to a stock one to see how the beam patterns are turning out, the upgraded one should have a nice focused/concentrated beam like a frowny face showing up on the garage door just like the stock bulb one will have, and with one overlapping the other in the middle some.
I would bet as bright as Matt?s blue bulbs are (thanks Davis for telling us his name, hate having to write out 93luminaz34 or anyone?s long as user name :icon_rolleyes:) they are the real deal meaning no dark ass blue incandescent/filament type bulb that puts out no light even though they are 100watt versions in an attempt to address this downside, not that I hate the blue incandescents as they are a lot less money but once again preference is to have more lumens to light up the night, and maybe see better too :icon_lol:.
The ones I have much like his are ballasted, high-tension leads, 9006 bulb base, true HID retrofit setup meaning plug and play. Fortunately I had my head lights out doing some other work so I could stuff the ballast in the area right behind the headlights with ease, would not be as fun with the headlights in the way. And as for beam patter, god I love these cars and talking about them since I find little to fault with all the gear it has :icon_mrgreen:, no problem running an HID in these non-projector headlights :mrgreen: , its amazing our optics are well focused enough to keep oncoming drivers from getting pissed you put in some high output/lumens bulb and are coming at them on a 2-lane. Same issue though if the bulb is too far out into the headlight housing like stated above for the fogs, at that point the reflective setup of the optics are whacked and the light goes all over the place and will waste light beaming in all directions including up high where it will blind the oncoming drivers. But the 9006 retrofit HID setups I have seen have the location proper so should not be a problem :icon_biggrin:. I will say though that even though I have good Phillips ballast, there was a problem getting both the HID bulbs to strike-off/light at the same time, that since even though they are lower watt bulbs (32 watt verses our stock 55 watt) the amps needed from the ballast to strike-off/get the bulb to light is more than the skinny ass stock wires can provide. So me I went after that problem (actually common to most cars) by upgrading the size of the power and ground wires for the headlights, as well as added a stiffening capacitor :icon_twisted:. And yes I have a good electrical system with a 160 amp alternator and a new Optima battery and new/clean power and ground cables (and one of those Kazama grounding system/power buffering upgrades) so it was not a power source problem elsewhere.
Wheel Clean can be had from the Tire Rack and even Summit Racing, sure there are other places.
Part numbers for the TGP are 1320 (ummmm, interesting number)
Part numbers for the TSTE are 1316
And yes they come in a set/2 per package, I did the rears too, about $40 a set I believe.
If you have the better approach of using tapped wheel weights instead of the finish-eating hammered on lip weights :icon_evil: then you will find the Wheel Cleans will bump into the tapped weights, but since the Wheel Cleans are made of powdercoated aluminum sheet metal, tin snips or even scissors can be used to cut the metal to make clearance (and its funny, I met the factory rep for Wheel Clean at a SEMA show and mentioned this trick, made his day and he said that is why he likes coming to these shows, other than the chicks standing next to the show cars :laugh:). I just placed the Wheel Cleans into the rim, lined up the 5 stud holes, then noted the contact points of the tapped weights to the Wheel Cleans, marked the area then made 2 small 1/2" snip to allow the metal to bend up a bit to clear the tapped weights, with some care the fit is clean and not seen.
Jeff M
Interesting info Jeff, thanks a lot....I'll have to pull my foglight setup apart and check that. We did indeed put an H3 bulb in the house. It was quite simple really, just required drilling a hole and using a nut/bolt to hold it in place, I'll bet its to far in though like you said, as that is exactly what it is doing...
That is also interesting about the HIDs working, I'm going to assume that its the GLASS headlights that allow for the better lighting? I'm interested in this HID retrofit now if the lights do well, as our Acura TSX has HIDs and DAMN they are bright and do an amazing job of lighting the road, even in snow, rain, and fog. Anyways, I'm not the only one with this issue, but Jeff, have you discoverd anyway of fixing the "peeling" black "paint" on the tops of the headlights that cause the light to beam into the sky instead of the road, mine have this issue and wouldn't dare adding HIDs with this as it would obviously do bad things for glare....wow we are way off topic :laugh:
Matt do you have close up side angle shots of the wheels, I'm curious to see how far in they are, you are lucky that the stock is +25mm so you are technically only 5mm off. I'm curious to see if there is a noticable difference to better gauge if 20mm offset wheels would work with a 255 or even 265 tire would fit as the GFX stick out far enough that it could probably be gotten away with
Whoa lots of replies!! Yes my headlights are a true HID retrofit kit with ballasts and HID bulbs rebased with 9006 bases. Its plug & play. I got mine from www.velocitygetter.com I'm using 88-89 glass headlight housings.
kuntzie took the yellow filters out of the fog lamps when he owned it. They just look yellow with the contrast of the HID's. I should do the H3 retrofit with some blue tinted bulbs to match the headlights.
Thats good that stock is +25mm. I thought it was +20mm. I think you could get away with a 255-45-16 on stock wheels. As long as the trailing arm clears.
I don't have any headlight beam or wheel offset pictures right now but I'll try to take some later.
Thanks for all the comments!
z284pwr, you are welcome, glad someone could use all that info, guess you are the only one :laugh:.
As for your H3, and thinking back, when I did the 100 watt H3s as a test I believe I tried using gray (or black) grill/stove paint or high-temp header paint, spraying into a lid then dipping the very end of the very clean bulb to coat the end and keep it from being too bright right in your face, just like the stock 9006 bulbs have I believe, but I know the 55 watts are bare/no paint on the end, and does not bother other driver?s though to test this I just go to a parking lot at night and walk away from the car, looking back and stooping down to a oncoming car driver?s eye level to check the brightness that they would see, the lower you go the brighter it gets but that has to be with all car lights, so much for low to the ground type cars.
Nope, glass does not focus the beam any different than plastic :icon_wink:, both are just as clean and they are cast/formed the same so all the diffusion the glass has the plastic has the same, but really it?s the reflective back area that does a lot of your focusing too, again same in either type lens; glass or plastic. The Acura?s are the only composite headlights I have yet to see that run HID :icon_cool:, all others seem to have to use a projector :laugh:, which do not work very well and I know, my wife has them and where the light stops at, its all black darkness beyond that so you are totally blind past that point, where as composites allow some light to show past the main focused area and provide some idea of what is either further down the road, and/or what is just up ahead as you go down a hill, that is when projectors suck big time going down hill, your beam range is shorter than shit so you better slow down or you may find a surprise in the road and hit it :icon_rolleyes:! And I love the crystal blue white the Acuras run in their HIDs, they are the brightest/highest lumen output of the Gen I HIDs because of their sweet color choice :icon_mrgreen:, I can always spot them at night over everyone else?s HIDs.
Yea I have tried a few ideas on the black paint missing on the top of the headlight lens, to no avail, paint, phelt marker, you name it and nothing lasts but after all that did get some good results with the following ideas. With the plastic ones you can get plastic paint (like for interiors) and then lay down some aluminum duct tape to mask a line, then 1,000 grit to scuff the surface before painting but with glass, little harder to scuff up and get paint to stick to so, I just clean the area very well with alcohol then Windex, then do a very nice lay of 3M 33+ (only!) electrical tape in place of the black paint. And I say ?only? as this is the best of the black electrical tapes and will last better than any other yet known tape for this area. Black duct tape would not work, its glue will not last!! So, me saying ?known? about the tape I suggest is that I am open to anything someone might know that works as good or better than good quality electrical tape?? :icon_idea:, always looking for better or easier :icon_biggrin:. I have had this setup for a number of years and its still there and holding, though one last trick, never pull or stretch the electrical tape, it must be laid at rest or the ends will pull up later.
Sorry Matt for hogging the thread :icon_redface:, any of the mods can easily split this into a headlight/bulb topic or sticky :laugh: then leave your bad boy clean and mean for all to enjoy :icon_biggrin: its up to you as its your thread ;)
Jeff M
Quote from: Jeff M on June 14, 2006, 11:01:28 PM
Sorry Matt for hogging the thread :icon_redface:, any of the mods can easily split this into a headlight/bulb topic or sticky :laugh: then leave your bad boy clean and mean for all to enjoy :icon_biggrin: its up to you as its your thread ;)
Jeff M
Don't worry about it :icon_cool: I'm learning from your posts too.
jeff the tste looks great! those wheels are 100 times sexier than the mille miglia's (maby its just cuase they are larger diameter)! what brand and model are these!? ive never seen a 5 spoke split twice per spoke quite like that! pretty nice find!! did they come a TGP pattern/offset!?! or did you run some adapters??
Matt, I don't suppose you have an idea of the weight of the wheels do you? This is the other thing I have always complained about, is weight of the wheel....I'm sure Jeff knows stock X-lace weight, I'm curious as to what these weigh, big chrome deals....
Brian, Aweb80 weighed a xlace w/o a tire and it was 21lbs. I weighed one when I was rotating my tires a while back and w/ tire I came up with 47.5lbs.
Quote from: mfewtrail on June 15, 2006, 11:32:00 PM
Brian, Aweb80 weighed a xlace w/o a tire and it was 21lbs. I weighed one when I was rotating my tires a while back and w/ tire I came up with 47.5lbs.
Oh damn, wow, I'm supposed to find a nice new Mustang wheel to fit that weighs less than 21lbs, yeah, right :laugh:
I never realized they weighed that little. :icon_eek: Now I need to decided how much I don't dare to attempt to paint them gunmetal/black.... :icon_neutral:
I'd have to take one off the car and get a weight (tire and rim combo) I never weighed the rims before I got tires mounted on them.
Quote from: mfewtrail on June 15, 2006, 11:32:00 PM
Brian, Aweb80 weighed a xlace w/o a tire and it was 21lbs. I weighed one when I was rotating my tires a while back and w/ tire I came up with 47.5lbs.
That is right, and my old 18" Chrome 077's were ~58lbs w/ tire....
Quote from: AWeb80 on August 04, 2006, 08:05:25 PM
Quote from: mfewtrail on June 15, 2006, 11:32:00 PM
Brian, Aweb80 weighed a xlace w/o a tire and it was 21lbs. I weighed one when I was rotating my tires a while back and w/ tire I came up with 47.5lbs.
That is right, and my old 18" Chrome 077's were ~58lbs w/ tire....
58lbs, ouch. Did you feel a difference going to the xlaces? :laugh:
Mine are polished aluminum instead of chrome so they might be a bit lighter. Doesn't matter though, because these rims are going on my 93 Z34, which I'm getting back on Monday from the body shop with a fresh body and paint job in bright white. :)
Quote from: mfewtrail on August 05, 2006, 05:31:34 AM
Quote from: AWeb80 on August 04, 2006, 08:05:25 PM
Quote from: mfewtrail on June 15, 2006, 11:32:00 PM
Brian, Aweb80 weighed a xlace w/o a tire and it was 21lbs. I weighed one when I was rotating my tires a while back and w/ tire I came up with 47.5lbs.
That is right, and my old 18" Chrome 077's were ~58lbs w/ tire....
58lbs, ouch. Did you feel a difference going to the xlaces? :laugh:
OOOOO, Ya......my poor 3100 feels alive again....LOL
Quote from: Jeff M on June 14, 2006, 05:02:32 AMWheel Clean can be had from the Tire Rack and even Summit Racing, sure there are other places.
Jeff M
Jeff, I looked around their websites and even Google-d it... no can find. Would you happen to have a link for these?
3 weeks, no reply... :icon_rolleyes:
Quote from: UfoldFirst on April 07, 2007, 08:07:03 AM
3 weeks, no reply... :icon_rolleyes:
Yeah..... he hasn't been online here since last summer....
he was on here on march 31 but made no posts... anywasy i tried messaging him like 3 or 4 times in the last year with no replies
Quote from: kuntzie on April 07, 2007, 09:59:42 AM
i tried messaging him like 3 or 4 times in the last year with no replies
I've done the same with no luck.... I've finally given up :laugh:
Kenny is the NEW Jeff now anyways. lol
ok ok
don't cry just because someone doesn't reply to you......
its not the end of the world and im sure you will find the info your looking for without a grown up holding your hand.
hahaha
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