I have been looking and looking
and I have Yet to see another one Close to my VIN
SO WHATS YOUR VIN??
Mines: 1G5WT54V8LF2714xx
Most I have seen are 29's and 32's
whats yours??
Mine...I don't have one.
0
HAHAHA......
thats because your Just a POSER.....................
LOL
Mines a 29's.. course thats for the coupe tgp.. I assume they are diiferent from the ste's???? KCP
Nope its Not only the 6th and the 9th Digits are Different. and the 9th is Different for most all of them.
They are Pretty much the same though. and like I said 29's or 32's
I have never seen another 27
Not even the Window sticker in my Press Kit has one that low its also a 29 so Im wondering whats up with that.
Thats very interesting.. not sure ... I will have to do some investigating..KCP
Mine is a 27... 8)
Mine's a 28. What do these numbers mean, anyway?
Couldn't tell ya.
So are you guys a part of the boost gauge gang or something? :lol:
Quote from: TGPilotSo are you guys a part of the boost gauge gang or something? :lol:
Yeah, you gottsa problem wit dat?
Quote from: TGPilot
So are you guys a part of the boost gauge gang or something? :lol:
:lol: found teh funny :lol:
If you really must know mine is XXXXXXLF2757XX
Quote from: twalt13If you really must know mine is XXXXXXLF2757XX
Holy COw someone who is atleast alittle closer to mine LOL
the Vin is the Production Number the lower the sooner it was made.
the 6th Digit is Body type not style
the Ninth is the Check digit there is a Fomula GM has to figure it out. but thats to tell if the Vin was ligit or not.
293002
Hmmm, I have an XXXXXXXXXXF2379XX
Seems low in comparison, does that have something to do with a sequence # or production date?
aq
Quote from: GnasstyHmmm, I have an XXXXXXXXXXF2379XX
Seems low in comparison, does that have something to do with a sequence # or production date?
Wow you have the lowest TGP Vin as of YET.
that means yours is older
the lower the number the sooner in the model year it was made.
What does this mean then?
XXXXXXXXXXF211000
Rick Young
1990 drop dead georgous black TGP with 64,XXX on the clock.
Quote from: Rick YoungWhat does this mean then?
XXXXXXXXXXF211000
Rick Young
1990 drop dead georgous black TGP with 64,XXX on the clock.
well that is a low Vin number, is that yours??
it sounds like maybe Pontiac just took GP coupes/STE's off of the assembly line randomly by color, option etc. they obviously didn't make 1000 STE's or 3500 TGP coupes in sequence and then ship them all to ASC. which sucks. it would have been cool if they made the TGP's with numbered dash plaques with an ASC/Mclaren logo or something....kind of like what Shelby American did to the 'real' turbo dodge's back in the 80's. when my brother bought his '87 Shelby Lancer, it didn't have the dash plaque, so in order to tell what number the car was, he sent his VIN# into a Shelby registery site on the internet. he found that his car was actually #127 of 780 built. he has since found another dash plaque, but unfortunately it is from car #104 (RIP). sorry for the long post...
joshua
Yes that is my V.I.N. 1G5WP14V9LF211000
I don't mind displaying the whole number. Its not like I don't have the car and the title. Besides we are family here. Is this low?
I have to agree with the previous post about badging and numbering of these cars. Its a shame Pontiac or McLaren didn't badge and number them. It would have helped with the collectability, intrigue and value
of the turbo Grand Prix. A simple badge with a manufacture number would have been ideal. I had a 1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR4 once. It
had a numbered badge on the dash. The car was cool enough but the
fact that they numbered and produced only a limited number of the AWD
4WS turbo 4dr sedans made it desireable to a certian market. Our cars seem like Pontiac ran them through at random, not caring or thinking the
car might have a following.
the Reason they did not have a Plaque or anything.
because they did not know how many they where going to make they where special order thats why. they did not know howmany where going to be ordered.
HOW ever they should have kept a better Record of the Vins and numbers. that they sent out.
Even though they didn't know how many were going to be ordered, It makes even more sense to number each one, Special order or not. That's
my thought anyway. I mean This car was shipped from Pontiac incomplete. I would think, no matter how high up on the food chain you are at Pontiac, You need certian info for the company and the consumers
to refrence. That is unless your project was a big flop and you hoped to forget about the ASC McLaren Grand Prixs.If the truth was to be known, there probably isn't anyone living that knows exactly how many cars were made in what color and option combo.
Quote from: Rick YoungIf the truth was to be known, there probably isn't anyone living that knows exactly how many cars were made in what color and option combo.
what the Hell you think this is CORVETTE or something :roll:
or a TTA ?? No this is "Just a Grand Prix" to them.
thats what I get untill I go to get a Dealer part and they ask for my VIN LOL then its like thats not a valid vin
I know what your saying why could they not keep record but some where someone did.
i'm sure ASC or McLaren has the records somewhere. has anyone ever tried contacting them about it? i would try, but i don't even have a TGP. i've seen McLaren convertible mustangs on ebay and apparantly they are numbered.
joshua
I would be surprised if either company had records. I don't think the Turbo Grand Prix is one of McLarens more proud moments. I think it is a cool car now but look at the money people were paying for these cars back in 1990. For $25,000- $27,000 range your options for a Sports or Luxury car were wide and I mean wide open. It took a real Pontiac enthusiast or someone with alot of curiosity to buy one of these cars back then in my opinion. I'm sure too, it cost alot to build. Pricing had to play a factor in its short production run. It sure would have been nice though to have a numbered badge. Hell, I'd be happy with a special Turbo Grand Prix specific McLaren decal. The fact is, McLarens name isn't even on the window sticker. It does show up on the title in the state of Georgia though.
Pontiac Grand Prix MC. You just have to know what MC mean.
It's as close as I can come... :mrgreen:
The vinyl McLaren stickers are done... the first ones are 2" x 24" Red Pontiac symbol and Racing logo with black background and Gold McLaren with Black background and www.turbograndprix.com but I can make them any size...
http://www.turbograndprix.com/infopics/mclaren1.jpg
http://www.turbograndprix.com/infopics/mclaren.jpg
takes a minute to load, sorry about that 8^)
$12 + $7 shipping and I can put several into the shipping tubes
Sorry I am going to vent a bit.. When I bought my TGP in 1993 the sales men told me it was just a gt version... :evil: I feel as though that we have been some how left out.. that us TGP owners have been put out to the cold. If I owned a company that made a product I would have made damm sure that the records were accesible to the owners. But if you think about it this situation is not out of GM's normal ideals of running a company. They have no respect for customers that purchase their product. I love my car.. I am sure everyone feels the same.. sure now and then we hate them cause of little problems that pop up... They are great cars Fast cars.. I just think that GM and McLaren let the owners down.. sorry if I sound soup boxy.. I just think that its so hard to find parts and everyone thinks our cars are the same as the normal GP's and that you have to argue with some one to explain your car is different is crappy.. I guess that is life.. anything good is not easy... KCP
Those McLaren decals look nice. How do they look on the windshield? I assume that's the place for them being 24" long. I want one.
How or where do I send my money?
Rick Young
I put mine in the lower back window on my STE, I don't have them yet in the other cars... But soon... :drinking:
http://www.turbograndprix.com/infopics/mclarenste.jpg
http://www.turbograndprix.com/infopics/mclarenste2.jpg
:mrgreen:
Please email me at jim@turbograndprix.com if interested
Jim I didnt know your STE didnt have Leather......
but hey I still want it when/if the time ever comes.
HOW are the STE logos coming
and I like these better then the Jeff M ones. no offence Jeff.
IM looking for the car with the VIN 1G5WT54V5LF257152
this is acctually the Vin if the Press kit car from the new york times.
OPTIONS are Leather and power SunRoof and CD player
oh and the Crappy Cali emistions
car was Deliverd to
CUrrent Product Engineering
30200 Mount Rd
Warren MI 48090
Dock 15 Service Development
I think it would be neat to see where this car is today you know what I mean.
anyone have a carFax account??
Quote from: Rick YoungThe fact is, McLarens name isn't even on the window sticker. It does show up on the title in the state of Georgia though.
Pontiac Grand Prix MC. You just have to know what MC mean.
Thats funny, I live in PA and when I bought my car and I got a carfax with the car when I bought it. On both the carfax and the title it just said my car was a "1989 Pontiac Grand Prix SE". It has the damn "V" so it's not like somebody made one. Plus it has the VIN # stickers all over the damn car and the sitcker on the drivers door that says that ASC finished the car.
Quote from: Josh R.Quote from: Rick YoungThe fact is, McLarens name isn't even on the window sticker. It does show up on the title in the state of Georgia though.
Pontiac Grand Prix MC. You just have to know what MC mean.
Thats funny, I live in PA and when I bought my car and I got a carfax with the car when I bought it. On both the carfax and the title it just said my car was a "1989 Pontiac Grand Prix SE". It has the damn "V" so it's not like somebody made one. Plus it has the VIN # stickers all over the damn car and the sitcker on the drivers door that says that ASC finished the car.
SOME TGP's where just SE's shipped to ASC
I know I looked it up in my Parts manual and it makes a referance to it.
one is Turbo grand prix and
one is Grand Prix SE turbo
Josh,
I may be wrong but I think your car really is an "SE". Someone must have made a TGP clone out of your car. They must have pulled the V.I.N. plate and stamped the V in it, put a the Turbo Grand Prix badges on it and
did a turbo conversion on a normally aspirated 3.1. and added fender flares. WALA you now have a Turbo Grand Prix. It seems to be a hot trend lately, I'm seeing them all over the place.....these TGP clones.
I can't tell which ones are real and which are clones.
As a matter of fact, since there isn't any real records out there. You all must have clones. Mine is the only real Turbo Grand Prix left in existence.
Hey, it say Grand Prix MC right on my title. Its the only true McLaren TGP left. I'll sell it to the highest bidder over the original window sticker of $26,665. NO TAX! Please don't email after 9:00 p.m. eastern time or before 7:00 am eastern time monday through friday.
With that said................................Let the bidding begin! Good luck
Hey, if your saying I don't have a "Turbo Grand Prix" then I suggest you come over here and race me and my "Grand Prix SE Turbo" 8) Then again you would win though because my tranny is MIA. :D
I knew you really didn't want to race :lol:
mine is LF2788 90 Red TGP
Quote from: JeorgeIM looking for the car with the VIN 1G5WT54V5LF257152
this is acctually the Vin if the Press kit car from the new york times.
OPTIONS are Leather and power SunRoof and CD player
oh and the Crappy Cali emistions
car was Deliverd to
CUrrent Product Engineering
30200 Mount Rd
Warren MI 48090
Dock 15 Service Development
I think it would be neat to see where this car is today you know what I mean.
anyone have a carFax account??
If that is the one I am remembering, it was owned for a number of years (required by GM) then crushed as it was one of the Test-Bed/1st made versions that are kept around should there be any driveability issues later, proto-types etc get crushed along with other great goodies, unless you know the distributor in Detroit that gets stuff like this, but cannot advertise it, you just have to know people (and one of the main reasons I like living in MI). The last time I was there (yes a while ago), I saw one of the 1st Viper V10 motors with a hand built/welded intake, tons of spare superchargers for GM 3800s, much more but the sweetest find that I plunged into with every sent I took with me/would of brought a lot more $$ if I knew, Syclone and Typhoon parts, proto-type parts all over, spare upper and lower intakes, transfer cases, leather seat covers and so much more, even items that "were" supposed to be sold as like options but were not (very collectable for SyTy fanatics), I picked up a lower intake that listed for over $800/no longer available, for $75, leather door covers for $15 that are now over $200 from someone who I hooked up to all these parts and HE spent a big chunk of dough and now has these, Ray Moore in CA. Anyways, giving out your VIN is totally safe, no one can do anything with it, that is why you see VINs on ebay all the time, no biggy to give it out, and at one time I was (low priority for me to try and collect them though.....) going to try and get the VIN from everyone I have talked to/has talked to me, and that would be over 2,000 at this point in time.....so how many used cars have you worked on lately!! "IF" I had all these VINs by now, would have a much better feel for the number of red/tan, red/gray, blk/gray/sunroof etc etc, but like many things, not enough time, and doubt anyone would take on the project now.
back to work for me, I hear owner number 2001 email coming.
Jeff M
I am 2953XX.
VIN: 1G5WT54V5LF257152
Year/Make/Model: 1990 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX STE
Body Style: SEDAN 4 DR
Engine: 3.1L V6 MFI TURBO
Fuel: GASOLINE
Driveline: FRONT WHEEL DRIVE
Carburetion: TURBO FUEL INJECTED, 1, 2, OR 4 BARREL CARB
Cylinders: 6
Manufactured in: UNITED STATES
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Date Reported: Odometer Reading:
11/12/1991 11,143 Reported on 08/28/1991
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08/13/1998 82,475 Reported on 07/07/1998
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11/17/1999 90,873 Reported on 11/04/1999
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COMMENTS
09/18/1991 Auto Auction
Midwest Region
Vehicle sold
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11/12/1991 11,143 Wisconsin
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Menomonie, WI
Title #9131640023
Title or registration issued
Ownership transfer reported
Odometer reading recorded on 08/28/1991
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11/04/1994 Wisconsin
Police Report
Case #941102332
Accident Reported
with a deer
Minor damage reported
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08/13/1998 82,475 Wisconsin
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Downing, WI
Title #9822544052
Title or registration issued
First lien reported
Odometer reading recorded on 07/07/1998
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11/17/1999 90,873 Wisconsin
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Baldwin, WI
Title #9932139015
Title or registration issued
First lien reported
Odometer reading recorded on 11/04/1999
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08/31/2000 Minnesota
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Saint Paul, MN
Title #C2440M136
Title or registration issued
Exempt from odometer reporting
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12/14/2001 Minnesota
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Saint Paul, MN
Title #W3480N014
Title or registration issued
Ownership transfer reported
Exempt from odometer reporting
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Jeorge I have carfax account.. it looks like it is in St. Paul, MN.. I pasted the whole car fax report.. just to let you know the info.. So maybe you can find it.. Let me know.. Just some info my insurece and title say grand prix turbo and when i ran a carfax on my car it said grand prix turbo McLaren.. So there you guys go.. KCP....
Thank you so Much for that....I'll have to look around and see what I can find on it maybe When I get my taxes I'll have to Run an add in the paper down there asking for it....
My Pleasure... :) I like to help when I can and since I mostly learn on this forum when I get a chance to help I like to contribute.. KCP
my vin is 1G5WP14V6LF2473xx i guess that's pretty low
VIN 1G5WP14V1LF269361
1990 TGP
Original owner :P
Vin 2727xx and orginal owner. :lol:
jud
29533XX
Hmmm....2995...by the looks of the thread, I have the highest number so far. :oops:
2490XX
:drinking: :drinking:
2435XX
OK, I have a question about my VIN. I've noticed that everyones number so far looks like this XXXXXXXXXLFXXXXXX. My VIN is 1G5WP14V5KF297890. Why do I have a KF instead of an LF? I even checked the original window sticker to make sure that something didn't get screwed up somewhere in the past but it is indeed a KF VIN. Can anyone explain?
10th digit of the vin is the year
8th digit is the engine
1st is country
2nd is manufacturer
3rd is division
89=K
90=L
V=3.1 Turbo
T= 3.1 N/A
G=General Motors
F=Ford (no jokes, I own one)
2=Pontiac
5=Pontiac Incomplete
You have an 89 thats why its different.
Thanks Chris, learned something new today.
89 TGP KF3316XX
my 89 is 3355XX :drinking:
Here's my VIN 1989 TGP, sunroof, red/tan leather 60k mi
1g5wp14v0kf300257
My nice black '89 TGP is 3203XX.
I don't know what my other one is...I guess I'll have to check it out later. 8)
LF2928XX - The insurance company said there's something wrong with the VIN # because it isn't showing on their computers as a valid Grand Prix. They left me a message telling me this, and I have yet to get back at them. I'm not sure what I'm going to tell them, but I don't think I'm going to let them know it's a turbo :P
Well, mine is 1G5WP14V7LF297181, and why blank out any part at all, its public record anyway, oh yeah by the way, the last 6 digits is the sequence in build, the first set of numbers will mostly be the same except for the 10th digit which is the year. Most of the tgp's had similar specs.
All ahould start with 1g5w(us built, gm, Pontaic, W body) and last 6 are unique. 7th digit should always be 4(restraint code) and 8th digit is V(engine type). 10th digit will be a K or L ( I think for 89 or 90, year) and the last 6 refer to the number of chassis for that car, the lower the number, the older the build.
I've seen a "check code" mentioned, what's that?
there is a formula which i do not know off hand, but basicly it makes sure the number is not counterfeit, by a certain formula which basically means tht the check digit should be a certain value for a certain vin. i think it is the 5th or 9th digit. the 11th digit is the plant, the other digits are explained above. oh yeah 6th digit is body style code.
There are a few threads around this forum, as well as the w-body forum explaining how to decode a VIN. It's also very easy to find information for it by searching on google. 8)
yeah jim W my vin is almost the same as yours, mine is kf335569. what are your last two digets?
Dan
89 TGP red
wow mine is 335555 only 14 digits difference :shocked!: I think that is about the closest two vin numbers :biggrin: :drinking:
Dont know if its relevent anymore...but heres the vin off the TGP I got my turbo sys off of...RIP..(Rest in Peaces...LOL)...
1G5WPI4V5LF27667
1G5WP14V5LF244382 that's mine :headbang:
yeah thats pretty sweet only 14 digets away , but i think its pretty sweet that i got the 69 diget, oh yeah 8)
:shock:
no worries ppl.If ya want low mine is 2104xx :D and was produced 8/89 :rock:
Bringing back an old thread. Thought it was interesting.
Quote from: RareGMFanLF2928XX
What are the last two digits of that??? My STE is 292801.
Shawn
Wow. There's a blast from the past.
*Pulls out his TSTE folder.....*
292848
Is it wrong to have seperate, fat file folders for each car you own? :oops:
might as well...
298307
Quote from: RareGMFanWow. There's a blast from the past.
*Pulls out his TSTE folder.....*
292848
Is it wrong to have seperate, fat file folders for each car you own? :oops:
47 away is pretty close...that puts us at second closest to the 14 away earlier in the thread.
And no it isn't wrong, I have seperate, fat file folders full of timeslips, dyno sheets, and mod reciepts for each car.
Shawn
New to the forum. 245530 vin
217754 at least its one of the lowest. Finally my car is good for something. :lol:
is it bad to post ur whole VIN on or what?
mines mabye the lowest or close, last 6 digits are 219411
hate to bring up an old post, but since i just got my tgp
F268310
=)
just aquired a white TSTE two days ago.
VIN# 1G5WT54V0LF290964
fwiw, the white TSTE that donated its parts to my Cutlass was:
VIN# 1G5WT54V0LF271184 (RIP)
Last 6 digits 216053.Bought new in Lynchburg V.A.
well damn i must be the winner.... my TGP is LF209293 yay for me
KF300183 <------ 89 black TGP leather/sunroof, security lighting 42,XXX miles. (Georgia)
268091 Utica, NY.... 51,xxx miles.
217141 sterling hts mi
Quote from: jerry455 on July 21, 2007, 10:46:58 AM
217141 sterling hts mi
If you still browse the board....what year is that, color, cd or tape, sunroof or not? Going by the vin's I already have, I'm certain it's a 1990 car, but would like to have the other details I asked for. I'm trying to keep track of as many cars as possible. Jeff has some VIN's listed on www.turbograndprix.com , but I already have more than he has listed...
I'm keeping a database of VIN numbers. There's absolutely nothing that anyone can do with your VIN, so it doesn't matter if you give out the whole thing. It's in open view on your car everytime you park it anywhere anyhow. ;) :laugh:
PS: 1G5WP14V2LF
205359(90 Red TGP w/ Tan lthr, CD, sunroof,110K miles) = the lowest I've seen so far.
HEY! I am a regular member of W-body, but I've come here to join you guys and besides my interest in these cars, I have an ongoing project that both me and Manicmechanic/neversatisfied of various forums is working on.
I am actively creating a database that I would like to publish for us all, once complete. A methods has been devised to 'discover' ALL TGP and TSTE vins, as long as records exist for them.
i have discovered MANY MANY MANY TGPs NO ONE here knows about.
wanna see?
1G5WP14V9Kf264746
1G5WP14V9Kf264827
1G5WP14V0KF284920
1G5WP14V5KF285481
1G5WP14V6KF287174
1G5WP14V7KF289693
1G5WP14V3KF289710
there you go. the worlds FIRST TGPs recovered for all time. more to come.
HERE IS WHAT I ASK OF YOU. I can come up with the VIN of EVERY TGP. I CANNOT fill out the rest of the data about the car. THAT is your job. I would like to get the build date for every car found, the color and options. This will be the ultimate TGP VIN project for eternity. I DO NOT care about who owns the car. this will not be shared. Some of you wish to obscure your VIN number, but the only point this serves... is to have me cuss you out for failing to provide any usable data for the project!!!!
If you do not wish to share the data publicly, I accept PMs.
What are my goals? To answer questions.
HOW MANY were there?
How often were they produced?
Are they sequential?
Were the two colors offered on TGPs offeredc from the very beginning?
how often did the cars get sunroofs?
The two color options were there from the beginning. As far as the VIN's being seqential, they are to the full Grand Prix production, but not the Turbo Grand Prix production. These cars started out as SE's and then got shipped to ASC/McLaren for modification. I think you'll find "1G2" vins before & after every TGP vin in sequence because of this. To me, it seems like they more often than not have sunroofs. I have pictures of at least 200-300 TGP's and the majority have sunroofs so far...I guess once we get all the VIN's, we can bug the hell out of the dealerships to print off the RPO information for each car. Good thing I have about 5-6 GM dealers in my area that I can bother for that reason. :laugh:
I don't know if you've seen this information that was posted on W-body before, so I'll post it here.
Here is some production number information from various sources:
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This set is from a McLaren Mustang owner that wrote to Pontiac in the early 90's and received these figures.
1989 - 750 Grand Prix Coupe Turbo {375 Black & 375 Brite Red}
1990 - 2,725 Grand Prix Coupe Turbo (Color Mix unknown) & 1,000 STE Sedan Turbo (Color Mix unknown)
The next set is from Pontiac Historical Services from the early 90's.
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Pontiac Historical Sources #'s:
751 TGPs in 1989
2,749 TGPs in 1990
TOTAL 3,500
And 1,000 TSTE in 1990
TOTAL 4,500
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Pontiac Care's:
Pontiac Care's #'s
3,425 in 1989
3,750 in 1990
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Also, Jeff M. has this info on his site:
Pontiac nor ASC kept a record of the specific VINs for the T G P/TSTE, no options count either
But the last 6 digits can at least represent the first to last vehicles made that MY/manufacturing year.
Turbo Grand Prixs for manufacturing year 1989 were released in mid 1989, so there was only time for a run of 751 cars.
Turbo Grand Prixs for manufacturing year 1990 were offered as normal/fall of 1989, longer MY resulting in 3,714 cars produced.
Turbo STE for manufacturing year 1990 were released in mid 1990, with a run of 1,000 cars.
*NOTE* I'm thinking that Jeff made a typo there and it was supposed to be 2714 1990 TGP's instead of "3714" as that would put his numbers very close to the others above....
As you can see, the numbers from Pontiac to the McLaren Mustang owner & the Pontiac Historic numbers that were received years ago are pretty close. That leads me to believe that the actual production numbers are close to those. We all know the 1989's are more rare since they don't show up nearly as often as 1990 cars for sale.
Here's mine:
1G5WP14V0KF332576
1989 TGP sunroof / leather
I think mine is already posted on Jeff M's site.
Here's mine
(1G5WP14V4LF257088)
This is for a Black 1990 no sunroof, Tan leather,tape
heres mine, just bought a couple weeks ago-
1G5WP14V0LF217428
Black with tan interior, no leather and no sunroof.
For anyone listing new numbers from now on, please list the following if you don't mind.
1989 - Exterior color, interior color(even though I believe 89's only got tan) sunroof or no sunroof, leather or cloth.
1990 - Exterior color, interior color, sunroof or no sunroof, leather or cloth, tape or CD.
Thanks. ;)
keep up the good work guys!!!! It will take about 2 more weeks of the program running 24/7 to get ALL numbers available. right now... I have almost completed checking 1989 cars serial number 200,000 to 300,000. - which is very car sparce.... but the early cars were mostly several thousand VINs apart. only later did they become frequent.
I will share... which begs to ask... are spreadsheet tables compatible with the forum?
no, you'd have to upload them somewhere to download.
mine has a tape deck
I now have in my data base... SEVEN HUNDRED AND TWENTY 1989 TGP VINs! yeah, so we have a few that were not discovered... oh well!
When ya' gonna post em Ken? ;) Maybe there are only 720 cars despite those several "750" figures. Either way, thanks to you, we're a lot closer to actually being able to prove how many exist. :icon_mrgreen: Have you started on the '90's yet?
Is there a page available where we can view them?
Yea, can't wait to see the compiled list. Great work Ken
Quote from: mfewtrail on October 11, 2007, 11:29:44 PM
When ya' gonna post em Ken? ;) Maybe there are only 720 cars despite those several "750" figures. Either way, thanks to you, we're a lot closer to actually being able to prove how many exist. :icon_mrgreen: Have you started on the '90's yet?
There will be some that have no record. Why?
dealership/owner owns a car that has never been registered.
the car fell off the back of a truck!
Records may have been lost or gone poorly reported.
Prototype cars that exist in deep storage somewhere.
facts:
NO records found for any 1988 TGP. this simply means that either 1) the vins of the first car(s) was/were not a proper TGP vins (such as the pikes peak racer) or no record exists of said tgp vin.
the first 3 cars have ONE record each, the first two were carfaxed, they came back as "destroyed", but without any verifiable date. These maybe test mules or prototypes that were discarded.
more to come later.
I have not started 1990 TGP vins, nor will I until the next version of the discovery program is completed. but analysis of the discovered vins will start shortly.
Here are the VIN's of the 7 in my yard. :icon_eek: :icon_mrgreen:
1G5WP14V7KF335555 Red 89 w/sunroof
1G5WP14V3LF264257 Black 90 w/sunroof
1G5WP14V0LF292047 Black 90
1G5WP14V2LF243383 Black 90 w/sunroof and cd
1G5WP14V0LF249053 Red 90
1G5WT54V6LF301305 White 90 TSTE
1G5WT54V3LF304890 White 90 TSTE w/leather and sunroof
You have 5 TGPs and 2 TSTEs... :icon_eek: wow I'm jealous :laugh:
The 89 is just a few numbers off of my VIN!!! :icon_eek:
Quote from: grinders_18 on October 15, 2007, 06:57:50 PM
The 89 is just a few numbers off of my VIN!!! :icon_eek:
335569? ;)
One of Jim's 1990's is only 1 number away from this car.
"1G5WP14V5LF244382"
YUP! How'd you know?
Quote from: grinders_18 on October 15, 2007, 07:04:42 PM
YUP! How'd you know?
It was on my list already and closest to that number above. :icon_mrgreen: I got that one from Jeff's online list I think.
Yes, but Jeff's VIN is NOT the same as mine. He listed a 5 I believe, and mine has a 7. Either way, his listed is damn close to mine, but not mine.
Quote from: grinders_18 on October 15, 2007, 07:14:23 PM
Yes, but Jeff's VIN is NOT the same as mine. He listed a 5 I believe, and mine has a 7. Either way, his listed is damn close to mine, but not mine.
Same vin, but he had the wrong check digit. 7 it is! :icon_mrgreen:
There you go sir...I hand it over to you. Red, tan leather, sunroof, balls...etc lol
Quote from: TGP Nick on October 15, 2007, 06:49:24 PM
You have 5 TGPs and 2 TSTEs... :icon_eek: wow I'm jealous :laugh:
Yep, I added #7 3 weeks ago...
Quote from: idbeast on October 16, 2007, 03:35:26 AM
Yep, I added #7 3 weeks ago...
So you drive a different TGP/TSTE every day of the week now, huh? :icon_mrgreen:
Mine is an 1989 TGP with vin 1G5WP14V0KF284XXX. When we bough the car new it already had 3000 miles on it and papers in the glovebox where it had been to different GM facilities and signed off for transfer by GM management. Don't know how early in the production of these cars mine is though. :icon_confused:
That's an early production car and probably the first one we have a record of.
1G5WP14V0KF284920 = is that your full VIN? VIN's are public information and nobody can do anything with your full number(if that's the reason you left out the last three digits).
Quote from: mfewtrail on October 16, 2007, 04:12:52 PM
Quote from: idbeast on October 16, 2007, 03:35:26 AM
Yep, I added #7 3 weeks ago...
So you drive a different TGP/TSTE every day of the week now, huh? :icon_mrgreen:
When it's not raining I ride the harley, however when it is raining I do drive a different TGP/TSTE every day of the week!!! ;) :laugh:
How did you guess? You are correct. I would love to know the true history of this car's build. Like I earlier said, when we bought it
it had 3000 miles on it but had never been titled. Also, the cars speedo goes only up to 120 MPH but the HUD goes highter. Our car used to peg the speedo but the heads up would show 145MPH at top speed. The car started having driveability issues and they
replaced th EEPROM at the dealership. After the prom was replaced it would only do 128MPH. We tried to find out what the original prom number and program was but GM said the guy that designed the chip had died and they had no info for us. Very interesting, though.
RICHTGP - what's the build date shown on your driver door sticker? It sounds like you got one of the early 4T60s that was actually able to shift into 4th at WOT [/quote]
Date of Mfg was 2/17/1989. First time the EEPROM was replaced was in 1994 and again in 2002.
i know i gave my vin to someone once, but here it is again:
1G5WP14V0LF278519
Going by the 10th digit of your VIN yours is a 1990 and even though it's a 27 it is not an earlier model.
Oops, I accidentally deleted part of your post above Tony. I didn't realize that I hit "modify" instead of "quote" until it was too late. :icon_redface:
Anyways....His car might be the first ever production model TGP! He has the lowest VIN number and Ken hasn't come across any lower than that. Even if it isn't the first, it's one of the first few...
Quote from: mfewtrail on October 18, 2007, 10:52:20 PM
Oops, I accidentally deleted part of your post above Tony. I didn't realize that I hit "modify" instead of "quote" until it was too late. :icon_redface:
Anyways....His car might be the first ever production model TGP! He has the lowest VIN number and Ken hasn't come across any lower than that. Even if it isn't the first, it's one of the first few...
For the love of god... please do not wreck that car!!!
Quote from: mfewtrail on October 18, 2007, 10:52:20 PM
Oops, I accidentally deleted part of your post above Tony. I didn't realize that I hit "modify" instead of "quote" until it was too late. :icon_redface:
it's cool, I've done that people too on boards where I had mod/admin privs :icon_lol:
Quote from: TGP Nick on October 18, 2007, 11:07:52 PM
Quote from: mfewtrail on October 18, 2007, 10:52:20 PM
Oops, I accidentally deleted part of your post above Tony. I didn't realize that I hit "modify" instead of "quote" until it was too late. :icon_redface:
Anyways....His car might be the first ever production model TGP! He has the lowest VIN number and Ken hasn't come across any lower than that. Even if it isn't the first, it's one of the first few...
For the love of god... please do not wreck that car!!!
X2
I am going to have to rebuild/replace my turbo as earlier stated in another thread. Since my vehicle is such a low vin I wonder what your opinions would be on upgrading the turbo to the GT2871r or should I try to keep the vehicle bone stock and all numbers matching? Big dilemna now! Please let me know your thoughts, folks.
eh, so what lol. mod to your heart's content. Just don't wreck the damn thing :P
So how close are we to getting actual numbers on the 89's??? :icon_eek:
Quote from: idbeast on October 22, 2007, 12:40:19 AM
So how close are we to getting actual numbers on the 89's??? :icon_eek:
Ken said he has 720 1989 VIN numbers, so at least that many exist. Untitled cars supposedly won't have records, so there are probably some more.
Thanks Matt! :icon_mrgreen: