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I'm a new member and this is my first post here. I've been reading the various threads about racing and haven't finished them yet, but am impressed with all the mods that I've read about so far. My newer TGP is stock and with 62,000 miles+ on it, it replaces my wrecked TGP red Pace Car form the movie "Days of Thunder." That car with 193,000 mile was totaled and later hauled away by State Farm for auto salvage. RIP 11-16-06
Glad to have found identical replacement red TGP. See photos on w-body.com
Also glad that stock chip was in at the time for successful emissions testing. It's tough testing in Illinois now.
I still have TopGun chip and pace car chip. And there is a stock chip in the new TGP, for a short time. ; )
Welcome to the board Larry! I saw the replacement car and she is beautiful!
Quote from: Larry M on November 22, 2006, 11:34:08 AM
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Also glad that stock chip was in at the time for successful emissions testing. It's tough testing in Illinois now.
I still have TopGun chip and pace car chip. And there is a stock chip in the new TGP, for a short time. ; )
Any chip that is altered that does not pass emissions (especially Colorado's Strict CRAP! :icon_rolleyes: ) is not a well done chip.
I am curious about the Pace Car chip...anyway you have to save the .bin that is loaded so I can see it? Maybe send me the chip and I will overnight it back to you as soon as I look at the .bin on it?
TGPilot:
Thanks for welcoming me to the board. : )
Sorry TGP, but I am honor-bound not to reveal the source or code for the Pace Car chip. Only Jeff M has seen it among normal mortals. But it is authentic and made my previous car run like 350hp, though it might dyno somewhat less, or more, and I refuse to argue about that one way or the other because I don't know the answer, exactly. : )
I couldn't say. But to downshift with light pressure on the accelerator, then keeping it at about 1/10 throttle, and the car would PULL up to 90-100 before requiring more pressure on the accelerator. Imagine a ride like being on a magnetic bobsled. It's the wildest chip I've experienced.
I can offer some information about the Daytona Pace Car that was used in 1989 for Daytona 500. That car had Corvetter front brakes and may have had rear whell drive. It had to go 130mph in third gear in case OD went out. It had a specially-baffled oil pan that held about 12 quarts. The problem is the centrifugal force driving the oil to the right side during high speed cornering and coming out of corners. That car was in a museum by the time I first spoke to TGP Project Manager.
Now I want to know how folks with TGPs are posting photos with their cars raising the front wheels in wheelie fashion. ; )
350hp :icon_rolleyes:
ii cant see it happenning on the stock turbo sorry
welcome though.. your tgp is the hotness as i mentioned on w-body a while back
Quote from: Larry M on November 22, 2006, 04:21:14 PM
TGPilot:
Thanks for welcoming me to the board. : )
Sorry TGP, but I am honor-bound not to reveal the source or code for the Pace Car chip. Only Jeff M has seen it among normal mortals. But it is authentic and made my previous car run like 350hp, though it might dyno somewhat less, or more, and I refuse to argue about that one way or the other because I don't know the answer, exactly. : )
Not to be rude, or pry into personal info, but you are honor-bound by whom? Why? To me it seems weird to be honor bound by a CHIP. Once again, not tryin to be a jerk or be rude, but what's up with that? :icon_neutral:
I find it hard to believe GM still has OBDI technology still under secret hats. Thanks though.
Curious...why would you need a larger oil pan on a high bank track like Daytona (33% I think)? At 80 MPH which the Pace Car runs for NASCRAP at Daytona back in the late 80's early 90's, the oil is definitely still on the LEFT side of the oil pan.
So you are saying that your car would take you to 100MPH with only slight throttle input?
^ agreed i dont think that the larger oild pan would be needed at all.
also i still dont believe that the tgp in the movies days of thunder was only used in days of thunder. and if it was i couldnt have seen it being re sold.
now wait a second here now....
sorry if this offends
but why in the hell would GM leave that "special chip" in the car is beond me
Quote from: kuntzie on November 22, 2006, 09:29:13 PM
^ sorry if this offends
but why in the hell would GM leave that "special chip" in the car is beond me
EXACTLY!
To me it doesn't make sense to leave the chip in the car and force you to not release any info about it; but that's me. Not to be rude or anything...
Quote from: TGP Nick on November 22, 2006, 09:52:46 PM
Quote from: kuntzie on November 22, 2006, 09:29:13 PM
^ sorry if this offends
but why in the hell would GM leave that "special chip" in the car is beond me
EXACTLY! To me it doesn't make sense to leave the chip in the car and force you to not release any info about it; but that's me. Not to be rude or anything...
GM didn't force him not to release anything, he told Jeff he wouldn't release the info about the pace car chip. EDIT: At least, that's the way I interpreted it....
I honestly doubt the pace car chip is a whole lot different from the chips that Kenny has been toying with lately. GM was making 300hp+ w/ these cars back before the hit showrooms...remember the 5spd prototype? ;) Kenny has proven that he could make that same 300hp @ the crank and then some w/ more tuning. I would imagine ~330hp or so would probaby be approaching the limits of our stock setup if you still want to run it on pump gasoline...but that's just a guestimate.
Quote from: Larry M on November 22, 2006, 04:21:14 PM
Sorry TGP, but I am honor-bound not to reveal the source or code for the Pace Car chip. Only Jeff M has seen it among normal mortals.
what a load of crap :icon_rolleyes: so Jeff M is "special" enough to see this .bin file an no one else? pfftt....
TGPilot IMO is far superior in chip tuning abilities than Jeff M anyway....so i guess it doesn't matter. i went from a Jeff M Top Gun chip to Kenny's chip and gained ALOT!
Quote from: kuntzie on November 22, 2006, 08:03:34 PM
350hp :icon_rolleyes:
i cant see it happenning on the stock turbo sorry
agreed....i doubt 350hp is even possible at the crank with the stock turbo much less 350 whp.
The reason I asked about the Pace Car chip is because back when I first started with TGPs Jeff M did his infamous "pm behind closed doors" routine. He blasted me with an ungodly amount of information, made it sound like the TGP/TSTE performance is impenetrable unless I bowed down to his knowledge and bought his product, and that the PACE Car chip was the most severe and well thought out chip on the planet that only he could understand. I have a feeling that that chip is not as hot as "god"/Jeff M thinks. That was the only reason I wanted to see it. To finally get some additional closure on a sore subject with me.
I am sorry for asking for the Pace Car chip, but what I am truly sorry for is that Jeff M continues to catch new folks that do not have any other knowledge of these cars and blasts them with his high and mighty BS....and they fall for it! :ugone2far:
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Quote from: Larry M on November 22, 2006, 04:21:14 PM
Sorry TGP, but I am honor-bound not to reveal the source or code for the Pace Car chip. Only Jeff M has seen it among normal mortals.
what a load of crap :icon_rolleyes: so Jeff M is "special" enough to see this .bin file an no one else? pfftt....
TGPilot IMO is far superior in chip tuning abilities than Jeff M anyway....so i guess it doesn't matter. i went from a Jeff M Top Gun chip to Kenny's chip and gained ALOT!
This got me thinking... somebody who has both the Topgun160 chip and the Kenny chip should do a dyno of both, so they can be compared, along with pros and cons of each. I'm looking to buy a chip soon, so I'll be interested to see how they perform. :icon_cool:
I have already done it...
http://www.tgpforums.com/index.php?topic=3576.0
Like a lot of other owners, I took the stock chip that came in my former "Days of Thunder" pace car car down to the dealer for replacement under warranty because of the clunking/driveability problems that were inherent in the original stock chips. I'd guess you already know about that. : )
The Pace Car chip is another story, which I certainly won't be revealing to anybody else, simply because of a promise I made long ago; period. Sorry, but that is a secret.
That chip was not of Jeff M's design or execution. I do have a J&M Studios Top Gun chip also which I ran in my first TGP. Driveability was always perfect with Jeff's chip, but he actually made the final adjustments on the highway under various conditions. Then we went back and he burned the final chip, custom-made, one-off for my car. That is a custom process. Nobody else has that exact chip either. : )
I have been told that the TGP Pace Car for Daytona 500, in 1989, had to do 140mph in third gear, without ovedrive (in case overdrive failed). It passed that test without a problem. How many hp does that take? But no one out here has that exact chip and the turbo wasn't a stock turbo anyway. Rear-wheel drive wasn't a stock item either. No one that I know ever said that the Daytona 500 Pace Car TGP was stock, but the car looked stock. That car went into a museum in Dearborn, I think: )
I'd love to drive that TGP. : ) I'd imagine it's still there in the museum.
Big weather changes got in the way of a trip to Minnesota. I may have to wait until the spring thaw. But if it gets up to 80? F. in December, who knows?
If the Daytona Pace Car had a manual transmission, I doubt that they'd have overdrive at all, so maybe I was told it had to do 140mph in third (or fourth) in case top gear failed. It was long ago, and I don't remember exactly. That information about Daytona 500 Pace Car was extended in one phone call which lasted about 30 minutes. A lot was said. I remember some of the details, but many are vague now.
Also, I don't believe GM left the Days of Thunder Pace Car chips in any cars that they were going to sell eventually to someone on America's highways. That would be nuts. LOL
its not HP at all... its the gearing in the tranny hell my rc truck got 90 mph and its only 3hp.
Quote from: kuntzie on December 01, 2006, 05:29:52 AM
its not HP at all... its the gearing in the tranny hell my rc truck got 90 mph and its only 3hp.
ROFL and how much does your RC truck weigh again?
Quote from: Larry M on November 30, 2006, 10:31:09 PM
If the Daytona Pace Car had a manual transmission, I doubt that they'd have overdrive at all, so maybe I was told it had to do 140mph in third (or fourth) in case top gear failed. It was long ago, and I don't remember exactly. That information about Daytona 500 Pace Car was extended in one phone call which lasted about 30 minutes. A lot was said. I remember some of the details, but many are vague now.
Also, I don't believe GM left the Days of Thunder Pace Car chips in any cars that they were going to sell eventually to someone on America's highways. That would be nuts. LOL
if the actual Pace Car had a manual transmission it was more than likely the Getrag 282 (since the 284 wasn't released until '91)...but that's not to say it has the same gearing as my Getrag 282. some 282s have different speed gears but all of the V6 versions of the 282 have 3.61:1 FDR.
the Getrag 282 actually does has "overdrive" IOW 5th gear is .81:1 so 19% overdrive in the W-body V6 version of the Getrag 282. the 5th gear in J/L-body Getrag 282/V6 cars have a 28% overdrive. i myself have had my Cutlass up to 112mph in 4th the other day before having to go to 5th gear. after going to 5th it had NO problem getting up to 125mph but then i got out of it (125mph is too crazy anyway). i think 145mph in 5th would be NO problem but due to gearing i think it would be limited to around ~150mph.
i've heard of farily stock TGPs getting up to 150mph (with an auto) but i dont' know if that was done in 3rd or 4th?
Jeff M said he did 150+ but eased into 4th and feathered it so it wouldnt kill the tranny.
Quote from: TurboSedan on December 01, 2006, 10:32:44 AM
Quote from: kuntzie on December 01, 2006, 05:29:52 AM
its not HP at all... its the gearing in the tranny hell my rc truck got 90 mph and its only 3hp.
ROFL and how much does your RC truck weigh again?
about 10 lbs.... ill get some vidos up of it.. its sweet
Quote from: GangstGP on December 01, 2006, 02:13:20 PM
Jeff M said he did 150+ but eased into 4th and feathered it so it wouldnt kill the tranny.
ive done around there with my 5-speed... 146mph forsure
215 kmph in my 5-speed CS in 5th
Quote from: Invasion1 on December 01, 2006, 02:39:16 PM
215 kmph in my 5-speed CS in 5th
yowza 134mph! do you remember what RPM that was in 5th?
not off hand i was a bit afraid to look down at it and take my eyes off the road
If they mentioned 140mph in third gear, it was almost surely a 4T60 in the pace car. A getrag 282 would require you to spin the motor past 9,000rpms to hit 140mph in 3rd. :laugh: With our autos, it would take slightly over 6100rpms to get to 140mph. We're limited to "128mph" by our rev limiter/fuel cut in third gear(57XX rpms). You could simply bump up that limiter on a modded chip and 140 would be possible...
All this talk of a "Pace Car" chip sounds like folklore and something we need to submit to MythBusters!
There is ABSOLUTELY no reason for a pace car in the NASCRAP circuit to run 140MPH.
Welcome.
What kind of interior did the pace car come with? Tan or gray, did it have special baging in the interior? I know the Indy Berettas do...just wondering.
And about the pace car chip beeing special...I really woun't really care. But it would be intresting to see what kind of things they did.
Its prob a hot chip setup with high boost at low throttle and high spark advance. Along with diactivated "safety" features. If it were a 3 bar..then it might be something to look at..but not all that speacial. I would consider Mega Squirt before even doing what Jeff M did to get a copy of the pace car chips and hacks.
As far as pace cars go..well GM did seem to overkill its pace cars, like the turbo Quad olds, The Original beretta with exotic parts. So who knows really untill you look at the rules and regulations for a pace car for those years.
I guess one of the moderators has put "Checking Engine" beneath my name. Not sure why.
Re: The Indy 500 Pace Car -- that was never mine nor did I ever see it except in photos. No idea what it looked like inside.
Re: My "Days of Thunder" pace car (apparently there were fivve of these) -- the only difference I could tell were the five holes in the rear section of the roof where the track light bar was mounted, and one small hole (about1/2") in the black console. My car had tan leather seats. Supposedly, the only differences between "Days of Thunder" pace cars and normal 1990 TGP's was the hotter chip and the 160? thermostat. The dealer told me as soon as I saw it that it had been used as a pace car for the movie and was trucked to some car shows here nad there. It had never been titled until I bought it.
Hope these facts clear things up.
Larry relax :laugh:
your title under your name changes the more posts you get, nothing personal.
everyone has been "checking engine" at one point or another and it will change again automaticly the more posts you make.
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Oh, thanks, Invasion1. Nice to know about that. : )
Here are the titles in order the more posts you get.
Newbie =0 Posts
TGP Forums Beginner
Checking Engine
TGP Driver
Spooling
Boosted =400+ posts
sorta like when Jud had " senior member and thought it was a joke.
all good larry
damn and i didnt think my turbo took 400 posts to finally hit full boost :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: kuntzie on December 13, 2006, 04:14:20 PM
sorta like when Jud had " senior member and thought it was a joke.
all good larry
damn and i didn't think my turbo took 400 posts to finally hit full boost :laugh: :laugh:
:laugh: Yea Jeff that was pretty funny. I was a little upset when I first saw it. Thought I was being singled out as a senor citizen. :laugh: