I was driving my TGP today on this road that goes from 55 mph to 35 mph, so I coasted from 55, got down to 35, and I looked in my rearview mirror and there is smoke everywhere!! So, I stepped on the gas and it stopped smoking within a second. BTW the smoke was a light blue. What could be causing this? I've only seen my TGP do this twice since I bought it, both times after coasting for a while. No check engine light, either. Any ideas?
Blue Smoke = Oil
White Smoke = Coolant
Black Smoke = Fuel
I say its turbo seals as mentioned before in other posts
when your coasting that builds the most vacuum, light blue can also be transmission fluid, as in the modulator has failed and is allowing transmission fluid to be drawn up into the intake, there 20$, or u can pull off the vacuum line off the modulator and see if its wet or oily
Quote from: Prospeeder on November 25, 2006, 05:17:15 PM
when your coasting that builds the most vacuum, light blue can also be transmission fluid, as in the modulator has failed and is allowing transmission fluid to be drawn up into the intake, there 20$, or u can pull off the vacuum line off the modulator and see if its wet or oily
I pulled the line- no oil in it.
But the smoke WAS a light blue, like you described.
I would also like to add that the previous owner replaced the turbo ~12,000 miles ago.
Maybe your burning a bit of oil then???
whats the milage on the car?
Blue smoke means your burning some kinds oil
It only has 120,000 miles on it. The thing is, I've only seen it do this twice, the first time was just a noticeable blue puff of smoke, the other time (a few days ago) was a BIG whitish/blue cloud of smoke. Other than those two times, it has never done this before.
try replacing the Turbo oil drain line, they can get all clogged up too, allowing oil to get backed up and get pushed out the seals. Its only like 12$ from ATP turbo. 5/8 ID ull need a foot. All silicone hose. It fixed my problem with smoking. If that doesnt fix it, try the modulator, and if not, its the turbo, or possible failed valve stem seals.
Alright I'll start with the turbo drain line. Do you happen to have the link for the ATP turbo line?
Thanks alot!
why yes i do
www.atpturbo.com go to the catalog, oil supply, and find the oil return hose, its bright blue, silicone, and 5/8s id, for some reason i cant get the stupid site to work for me, so i cant give a direct link
Or buy one from Kenny
http://www.tgpforums.com/index.php?topic=2939.0
Speeder FTW!!
When I first purchased my car I had issues with smoking and a little bit of hesitation. IDK if you have replaced the x-over pipe, but that crack can REALLY screw with the ways these cars run. If that car has 120k and still has the stocker, replace it and do some routine maintenance. How old is the O2 sensor? May want to look into replacing that one as well, and if you didn't know, AC Delco with the purple wire is the one you want, the best one IMO and many others. I've used Bosch and they really just crap out.
You should really replace that return line as well. They don't typically become clogged but they sort of unravel from the inside and can actually cause it to collapse internally, preventing the flow of oil back to the pan and thereby sending it backwards through the exhaust.
Also silicon drain lines are the way to go. I used some hose I got from a diesel shop (BIG trucks). Man that thing was not forgiving at all and real stiff. The silicon is better IMO and would suggest it, not only for quality but for ease of installation.
Okay thanks guys. My TGP is TOTALLY STOCK- cracked crossover, stock chip, all oem sensors, plugs, wires, intake, exhaust- EVERYTHING is stock. The only thing that I know has been done with it is: the cat has been gutted, and my A/C condenser has been relocated- so there is nothing in front of the intercooler.
I went out and drove the TGP today- it ran great, except for the smoke. I went on about a 40 mile round trip, and there are about 20 stops/intersections to stop at. AT LEAST 10 out of the 20 stops, the TGP let out a small blue puff of smoke. So I'm thinkin the line totally went today. The TGP is now parked in my garage and isn't coming out until springtime. If it is nice the next week or so, I'll test it out with the new line, but if not, she's gonna sit until spring. Long story short, I'm gonna spend the winter while it's parked doing a full onceover, replacing everything and getting it to run right.
Would it hurt anything if I drove it around to get the majority of the gas out of the tank?(I still have 3/4 tank of gas in it :icon_mad: )
I don't want to have a tankful of old gas sitting in the car over the winter.
just buy a bottle of stabil at your local parts store. Follow the instructions for the proper dilution into your tank. If your tank says about 3/4 then you would have about 10 gallons left. Give or take a few. Add a little extra it cant hurt. The TGP fuel tank is 16 gallons but the bottom half of the tank goes faster than the top given its shape, at least it does in mine. I would say add stabil for 12 gallons of fuel then drive it around a bit to make sure it runs through the lines and injectors, then shut her down.
SEAFOAM it is!! lol :laugh:
Kenny I sent you a PM ;)
Alright I bought an oil return line from Kenny today. When I get it and install it, I'll give an update as to if it is still smoking or not.
Perfect
After replacing my original turbocharger after 106,000 miles, the replacement rebuilt turbo lasted 700 miles.
One morning I drove downtown and used turbo extensively, being in a hurry, and going to contest a parking ticket. At a stoplight in downtown Chicago, I pulled up nexxt to a homeless guy standing on the sidewalk. He looked at me, then at my car, then at the TGP plaque and mouthed the word, "Turbo."
The light turned green and I drove around the corner. As I glanced in the rear-view mirror, I saw a towering cloud of blue smoke. It was by then several stories high in the valley they call Dearborn Street. Suddenly, my car began running very erratically. I quickly realized that all of that blue smoke was coming from my car.
I guess that the homeless man thought that all "turbos" run that way. LOL
My car managed to limp back, about 13 miles to my mechanic's place, where he ordered and installed the free replacement which was still going strong at 193,000 miles.
May all of your smoke problems be little ones. LOL
LOL Larry
Homeless man must have said "feel sorry for that guy" when he saw the smoke barreling out :laugh: then went back to his cardboard box :icon_mrgreen:
LOL. :laugh: I'm thinkin it isn't my turbo cuz it doesn't have any play in it. I checked it with the engine hot. Just waitin for the line, then I'll see what happens.
Check back here if you need advice, but its pretty straight forward. I think you're best removing the lower and upper charge pipes from the turbo, it gives you maximum room to manuever. I would say get some 1/4" sockets, and couple of extensions, and a ratchet of course, then go to town.
FYI - make sure you picture how you put those clamps on, so when you install it no confusion, get it on, get it tight, and wait and see some more (to see if it still smokes)!! Anyway, like I said, check back here if you need any advice. My suggestion, just take it all the way down, get the crossover fixed, and then put it back together! :laugh:
Good luck!
Should I clean out my intercooler also? I'm just wondering if any oil could have possibly gotten into there with it smoking.
If you've got the time and don't need to drive it, do it. When you disconnect the lower pipe from the turbo to the I/C, if there is any noticeable oil, then clean it should definetely be cleaned.
yea clean it with some paint stripper.
I just got the line, so I should be putting it on in the next day or two. I'll test it once my brakes work. ;)
I put the new oil return line on today and I would like to say thanks to Kenny- the line went on easily and fits perfectly; thank you! ;) Once I get my brakes figured out, then I'll take her out to see if she still smokes!
Hey no worries Nick. I apologize for the delay. The end of that week was not so good for me. Spending 20+ hours in the bathroom was not fun!
Those lines are tougher than anything ATP sells...that is for sure! They are a little harder to get over the nipple fittings...but they will NEVER leak! ;)
Thanks, man! It was well worth the wait. :icon_cool:
you guys get a bad batch of lettuce out in Colorado as well?
Its been all over the news here, Taco Bell was distributing E. Coli around the northeast, apparently traced to lettuce. Dinosaur BBQ took a hit a couple weeks back, apparently someone was distributing a stomach flu like virus, 600 people got sick. Thats a big deal too, that place is huge business and the food is great. I won't think twice about eating there, but Taco Bell, forget about it. That place is nasty anyway.
They fared better than Chi Chis though, Hepatitis on the scallions. We don't have Chi Chis here anymore LOL.
I don't drive my TGP during the winter months anyway, so I don't mind the delay. I'm using its time off the road to fix her up a little. :icon_cool:
Quote from: R Dubya on December 14, 2006, 10:42:56 PM
you guys get a bad batch of lettuce out in Colorado as well?
Its been all over the news here, Taco Bell was distributing E. Coli around the northeast, apparently traced to lettuce. Dinosaur BBQ took a hit a couple weeks back, apparently someone was distributing a stomach flu like virus, 600 people got sick. Thats a big deal too, that place is huge business and the food is great. I won't think twice about eating there, but Taco Bell, forget about it. That place is nasty anyway.
They fared better than Chi Chis though, Hepatitis on the scallions. We don't have Chi Chis here anymore LOL.
employees are dumb as hell when they handle vegetables. they were grown in manure and they consistently ignore the fact. placing unpeeled onions on the counter before cutting. they have brains in their head but refuse to use them.
Hehe I should have posted this a few days ago- I took it for a drive with the new oil line on, and there is NO MORE SMOKE! I tried doing everything I did before to make it smoke (mostly just coasting did it), and no smoke whatsoever. So yeah problem solved!
Thanks everyone! :icon_cool: :thumb:
finally Nick gets some success!!
Now back to the brakes.....
I'll get everything fixed... eventually. :laugh: Naw probably won't be long at all before I get everything done. It's gonna be a looong winter and it is parked in the garage- lol the garage door spring broke somehow, so now the car is stuck in the garage until the door/spring is replaced. Oh well- wasn't planning on driving it until April anyway. :laugh: