Welp....I just found out the hard way that the line in the picture below appears to be TGP/TSTE specific. I snagged one from a 3.1 in the yard last weekend, and after removing the leaking one off my TGP, I discovered it wasn't routed quite the same. So.....if anyone has a spare by chance that they'd like to get rid of, please let me know how much you want for it.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v379/RareGMFan/LeakingLine.jpg)
that line should be entirely flexible isn't it? Do you know if its the return or the pressure line? Your best bet is probably to either make or have someone make one for you. Did you get a quote from a dealer?
get a quote and a part number then give it to me and I'll see what I can do for you.
I'm not sure if that's the return or pressure line. All I know is it was dripping onto the crossover pipe. :icon_eek: The rubber portion is pre-shaped (on the TGP one, it turns into metal again before it reconnects to the line). I tried bending the n/a 3.1 line to where it needs to bolt to on the bottom end, but it was putting a crimp in the line. I wouldn't feel comfortable with it in there like that. I'll try the dealer today or tomorrow (the dealership I get a discount at is right next to my workplace). I kept forgetting to bring it with me last week.
D', what year was the NA line that you got from the yard? I'm curious if they used different lines in the earlier vs. later years of production on the NA models.
what if you used a tube bender (maybe rent one??) to try and modify a N/A line?
Won't kink using a tube bender.
Well the n/a one is entirely pre-shaped rubber (the TGP one is part metal, part rubber), so bending it without crimping is out of the question. Matt, I think it was like a '90 or '91 Lumina. The later ones had that quick connect or whatever it's called (I'm blanking on the name at the moment), so I had to dig around for an earlier 3.1 where it could be unbolted.
The service department at the dealership I was referring to used to be open till 2 AM, but I went there yesterday after work (8 PM), and they were closed. :icon_eek: Hours changed to something like 5 PM. That's quite the difference. I'll try again this morning if I get there early enough, or maybe during lunch. Worst case scenario, I'm sure I could have one made fairly easily. I just figured if someone had one already, it would be that much easier.
I wonder if metal brake line would work for this? If so, get a measurement of the line from one end to the other, find out the size of the flare nuts, and get that from a parts store and use a SMALL pipe bender to get it into the shape you need.
You can't use a solid steel line to replace this line. It has to have a rubber section. One end of the line is mounted to the body and the other the engine. The engine movement would end up breaking it.
Tim
TGPvsTIII is right. I think it needs to flex a bit, thus the use of rubber lines. Oh, and just as I suspected, they are discontinued from the dealer. By the way, here's a comparison with the TGP vs. the N/A line.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v379/RareGMFan/FuelLines.jpg)
so its forsure the front one you need?? ill check my stash but im 99% sure i got one
since your line is shot and leaking you have nothing left to loose to cut off the crimp and see if the line can accept a new piece of HIGH PRESSURE fuel hose (don't use regular fuel hose it isn't made for high pressure) and use fuel injection clamps. Here is a link to a turbo dodge site with a few pictures to show you how we cut off our crimps to replace the lines. http://www.turbododge.com/forums/f4/f14/127297-fuel-hose-repair.html
On our lines after we take off the crimp and take off the hose the end of the tube has the flare already on the tube just like old carb cars would have. We just cut a new piece of HIGH PRESSURE fuel hose and use the right clamps to tighten it down. It works great for us. Infact before mopar crimped the fuel injected cars hoses they made them like we fix them. Hope this helps.
Tim
Just looked at the hoses again. The TGP hose has one end short metal and one long metal. I would bet if the short metal end doesn't have a flare for a hose to slide on the long metal tube will. If this is the case I would cut the NA hose at the right lenght and put the long TGP metal end on the NA hose. But I would only do this if the short end can't get new hose clamped on.
second edit When I cut my crimps off I used my air powered cut off disc and cut a groove in the crimp the lentgh of it. One on each side then used a chisle to knock it off. Our crimps are made of aluminum yours are steel the way I cut mine off should work better on the steel then then the way the link shows. I just put the link up to help show what needs cut.
Kuntzie - Yes, it's the one in the front (closest to you standing in front of the car). That's my actual line in the pic that I pulled off. I was hoping I had the lines on my spare TGP motor, but it looks like we cut through them when we were removing the motor. =(
TGPvsTIII - I'm sure making up a replacement line won't be too big of an issue if it comes down to that. I was just hoping maybe someone had a non-leaking factory one they'd be willing to part with. Thanks for the info, though. Will have to use that if I don't find a replacement very shortly (need to get the TGP on the road so I can stop using the TSTE, clean it up/take care of some small repairs, and sell it).
A stock 2.8 line wouldn't work would it? I have both of them in good shape. I will try and grab a pic for you tonight
Quote from: bake82 on June 15, 2007, 08:32:21 AM
A stock 2.8 line wouldn't work would it? I have both of them in good shape. I will try and grab a pic for you tonight
Well the one in that side-by-side comparison pic is off an early n/a 3.1, so I'm guessing the 2.8 won't work either.
i have the line you have circled, but not the one you have in the comparison picture (the one in the comparison is the fuel line towards the back of the car (the return i believe)
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I'm confused. The line in the comparison photo is the same as the circled line. I pulled off the car in the first photo. :icon_neutral: