I'm considering the possibility of selling my awesome 1990 Black TGP. It all depends on another car I'm interested in. The delima is my TGP is almost show quality. Its completely stock, Black with tan cloth, sunroof and cassette. The cleanest, nicest TGP around. 65,XXX miles and it has everything.....2 remotes, owners manual, supplement to the owners manual, Service manual, supplement to the Service manual, 2 driving excitement cassette TGP tapes. Original window sticker, dealer brochures etc. The car is not for sale yet. If I have someone interested
from this board, I'll talk. This car was $26,600 brand new. It still looks close to brand new. You can see pics of the car in previous posts in this section by (trophystock) but the pics do the car NO justice. If it becomes available, the selling price is $5800. I wanted to offer it here first.
The car is located in Georgia. Its never been a Northern or Coastal car.
I'll post the V.I.N for someone to run a carfax if interested. Its also posted under the "lowest V.I.N." topic somewhere on this board.
Rick Young
$5800 won't happen for a few more years my friend. You may get $4000 for it but don't hold your breath... 8)
Well if I get it here or not...I'll get it, if I sell it. I sold my red one not even a year ago for $4000 with 119,XXX and not near as nice. You underestimate the value of these cars. I'm offering it here first if I sell it at all. I know I can get $5800 for the car. If not here then somewhere else! Its easily worth that and more. Sorry you dont feel the same.
Question.. Rick.. if you thinks it worth so much and is going to go up in vaule then why are you going to sell.. further more if you had two of them why would you again sell this one.. unless you have a third.. my TWO sense is keep it and find a way to get what ever else you want to buy... KCP...
Question.. Rick.. if you thinks it worth so much and is going to go up in vaule then why are you going to sell..
Well Ist I never said it was going up in value you did. 2nd I don't think its worth so much, thats why I listed it for only $5800. What's the prob? If you're not interested in it then why waste both of our time. For you to say " $5800 not for a few more years, don't hold your breath" dosen't make any sense to me. I mean you make it sound like these cars aren't worth anything. I'm simply stating, I know better. It dosen't matter at all to me if I sell it here or not. I'm simply posting I may let it go if I make a deal on the other car. Maybe your experience is different from mine but $5800 dosen't sound like much money at all for this car.
I see you point in keeping it and buying something else...I may just do that. I haven't made up my mind yet but I already have too many play toys. Another in the driveway or garage wouldn't be cool at this time.
Don't take me wrong, if the car I'm looking at dosen't happen. I wont sell the TGP. I was just giving any interested party a heads up that I may sell.
Rick
Rick I could not agree with you more just because some people got there car at a DEAL like 3K doesnt mean somepeople didnt get a low milage one for 5+k
I know if I found a low milage ste say less then 15K on it I would pay over 10K for it if it was mint.....
Look guys...if you have the cash to buy these cars for $4000+ great! Most people don't have that kind of cash and bank lenders will not give you a loan on a car that is more than 10 years old! Once a car hits the collectors list..which these cars are poised to do in a few years, then a bank will give you a secured loan on them. Me personally...I think I got a great deal on Waskie's TGP for $4250 especially for the condition it is in! I would not even consider letting it go for less than $6000 because of the improvements I have put into it and the work done installing the 5-Speed. How many 5-Speed TGP's are out there?? Considerably less than the STE's so I guess mine is worth mega bucks. Shit I think I will retire tomorrow now that I think of it! 8)
Thanks George,
I'm sure some people bought their TGP because they got it for a song. Others of us bought them because we liked them and the price wasn't the determining factor. The fact is, these cars are still in style. They have good performance and they're loaded with options.
My problem if anything isn't with the car....Its with GM and their desire to price us out of existence with the bull shit part# changes and the huge price increase for the same part.
Hey, I drove out of state to pick this car up. It was not the cheapest TGP around but I made the deal and I bought it. I'm sure not going to do myself or this group of owners the dis-service of selling it at a firesale price to further drive the value of these cars down. If you got your TGP for $2000 great If you paid $7000 for it, Good. The fact that we all live in different Geographic locations and our cars range from immaculate to rust buckets or originals to hacket up customs, plays a role in the value. None of these cars are identical in mileage, condition or performance.
What pisses me off is when someone says, Oh its not worth what your asking or you'll never get that for it. Especially when they haven't even seen the car. I hope those same people jump all over the next person that posts their TGP for sale for some $1500 or something. That's when
there should be debate. That's the person that's brainwashing this board into believing these cars can't bring the money.
What is the Blue Book on your car? Excellent condition or otherwise? That is what your car is worth. Do you think a 70 1/2 Polar White Trans Am is worth more than the collectors list price? Would you pay 50% more for that car than it was worth just because you thought it was worth that and others didn't? Good for you money bags!
I truely enjoy my TGP. I paid better than $4000 for it. I get compliments on it all the time! When people ask me what my car is they say "oh.." when I say it is a 1990 they say "Holy Shit you couldn't tell that by looking at it!" If you are upset that people say something isn't worth something and you disagree...oh well. If you told me my car was only worth $2000 I would laugh at you and send you on your way! To the right person you can sell a penny for $1. If you know better...then you will only pay a penny... 8)
Quote from: TGPilotTo the right person you can sell a penny for $1. If you know better...then you will only pay a penny... 8)
I sold a penny for $275 once. a 1909 s vbd i think it was... it was worth more but I needed the $$$
Is that all you bring to this argument? What is blue book on my car? Blue book is 1 of many sources for car values. Oh I get it, since blue book says it, then its the Gospel. That is weak very weak. You are wrong on this issue. I'm not going to change your mind and you sure aren't going to change mine so I say we end it here. I wont sell the car to you and you dont want it . I don't think we disagree on much here. You just stated you wouldn't sell yours for less than $6000 or so. So what's the difference?
Did Kelly Blue Book say something about red or a swaped over to 5 spd. that makes it worth more. I feel like your going back and forth with me just to argue. If or when I sell the TGP, then I'm not part of the TGP family but until then....think of me as your long lost brother. I love you man. :wink:
Quote from: TGPilotLook guys...if you have the cash to buy these cars for $4000+ great! Most people don't have that kind of cash and bank lenders will not give you a loan on a car that is more than 10 years old! Once a car hits the collectors list..which these cars are poised to do in a few years, then a bank will give you a secured loan on them. Me personally...I think I got a great deal on Waskie's TGP for $4250 especially for the condition it is in! I would not even consider letting it go for less than $6000 because of the improvements I have put into it and the work done installing the 5-Speed. How many 5-Speed TGP's are out there?? Considerably less than the STE's so I guess mine is worth mega bucks. Shit I think I will retire tomorrow now that I think of it! 8)
You owe me more $, it was that nasty chicks fault! :twisted:
LOL
Quote from: TGPilotWhat is the Blue Book on your car? Excellent condition or otherwise? That is what your car is worth. Do you think a 70 1/2 Polar White Trans Am is worth more than the collectors list price? Would you pay 50% more for that car than it was worth just because you thought it was worth that and others didn't? Good for you money bags!
I truely enjoy my TGP. I paid better than $4000 for it. I get compliments on it all the time! When people ask me what my car is they say "oh.." when I say it is a 1990 they say "Holy Shit you couldn't tell that by looking at it!" If you are upset that people say something isn't worth something and you disagree...oh well. If you told me my car was only worth $2000 I would laugh at you and send you on your way! To the right person you can sell a penny for $1. If you know better...then you will only pay a penny... 8)
Blue book sucks. that has nothing to do with it. Value has to do with what someone is willing to pay. Bluebook is based on reported selling prices of cars in that range. It can be used as a guide but thats it. I've had too many instances where I used the blue book value (or nada or edmunds or whatever) and I undersold my vehicle grossly. Of all the people that shouldn't be downing the value of these cars it's us. See where we are when the insurance company only says your car is worth 2000 and it has $1800 worth of front end damage ($1000 hood and $800 front facia). It won't take much to get your great car gone. Upping the value has many advantages for owners. It puts money in our pockets when and if we sell. It increases the chances of keeping our car if its involved in an accident. It also increases the chances of keeping the cars on the road, because more and more of them won't be totalled and sent off to the yards. Devaluing the car to $2000 average price benefits who? Folks who want to buy them? Maybe, but if the owners thought they were worth more then they might be more apt to care for them properly. I feel there are too many cars that just "aren't worth it". Also, I dont' think the Blue books properly reflect the turbo grand prix. Most only list an SE (last I checked) and reporting for the TGP is probably sporadic. An ignorance is our downfall as we have all seen, the average joe doesn't even know the TGP exists, so most are viewed as a 10yr old POS Grand Prix.
Grand Nationals are old cars, but guys routinely shovel out $7000 to $14000 for these cars. Sure i've seen my share of $2000 cars, but that doens't mean they are all worth that. GN's are a little more known than our cars, but I know for a fact that a TGP has as much wow factor as a Grand National. I also think they should have a similar value.
Take another great GM turbo car, the Sy/Ty. Anybody wanna talk down one of them? Don't see many either. I don't know the exact numbers, but I'm guessing its about as limited as ours. The ones I do see for sale are easily over $12000 if not $20000. And if you think your TGP can be tempermental and a pain to work on, try a Sy/Ty. Oh, but wait, a Sy/Ty is just a GMC Jimmy, i guess its worth about $4k to $5k, if it has 4wd....
So there is no reason, based on the value of the GN and Sy/Ty that our car can't be worth $10,000 give or take. Its fun, good looking, unique, rare, good handling, roomy, etc etc. How many FWD cars have 245/50/16 tires? Or sooo many gadgets inside, Quad seating, or a TURBO?
And yes, I am upset at the value of these cars. I saw Tom Os car get bashed left and right because of what he was asking for it. I thought it was very reasonable, and those that were bashing him should have been supporting him. I'm not saying to lie or not be realistic, but to be objective. We need to get more for these cars, we are underselling an important rare car. It will never be a collector car if its value is not realized. We have guys spending thousands of dollars to supercharge luminas or turbocharge cavaliers, but can't get a reasonable buck for the car that CAME with the TURBO!? I'm not trying to sell a Penny for a $1, but alot of us are selling Dollars for Pennies.
Chris,
I couldn't agree with you more.
So what you guys are saying is if we all put our "opinions of worth" together and say that our cars are worth $7000 then that is what the insurance company will pay for it if it is totalled?? It does not matter what NADA says or Kelly Blue Book? Where do I sign up? Better yet lets go to the junk yards and get ahold of as many Pintos as we can find and put our "opinions of worth" together and make a fortune!!! Because we say it is worth something and hold out on that price someone will pay us for our Pintos!
No I am not going back and forth to provoke an argument. I couldn't really care to be in an arguement with someone I do not know other than the fact that you own a TGP! I feel as though my car is worth at a minimum $6000. I wouldn't even consider selling it for less. That does not mean that it is worth that. Not even close. But if somebody was to walk up to me with $6000 cash...bye bye TGP!
Rick I did not mean to start an argument with you.. I just think these cars are a rare catch. I have seen to young kids get this cars in my town and completely trash them to hell.. So I guess what i was saying is that the car is worth alot. To the person who owns it. I was also just saying I would hate to have a great car go to some dumb ass who would trash it.. Sorry that I miss spoke my self.. :oops: I guess I would rather hold on to it and start a collection.. just need to win the lotto... :lol: sorry for the disagrement.. KCP
Quote from: TGPilotSo what you guys are saying is if we all put our "opinions of worth" together and say that our cars are worth $7000 then that is what the insurance company will pay for it if it is totalled?? It does not matter what NADA says or Kelly Blue Book? Where do I sign up? Better yet lets go to the junk yards and get ahold of as many Pintos as we can find and put our "opinions of worth" together and make a fortune!!! Because we say it is worth something and hold out on that price someone will pay us for our Pintos!
To some extent that is what I'm saying. In fact, your pinto example is a good one. If I had ALL the pintos in the world, and someone wanted one they would have to pay my price, or not have one.
The NADA and KBB are an attempt at trying to establish a value for a car. For the 300,000 f-150's produced a year it works fine. However, for the 7000 TGP's ever produced it sucks. Organized ratings systems only work for the average. For unique situations it just doesn't work. Its a product of the industries (used cars, insurance etc) to help establish a fair value for a car. What someone is willing to pay. They just won't take the car owners word for it. Most people in that industry I've talked to don't even know what a TGP is, so how can they value it.
The gist of whay I'm saying is, if we are talking down the value of our OWN cars, we are shooting ourselves in the foot. Much like you say, your car is worth $6000, to you. Rick's car is worth $5800 to him. And to someone else the 1200 mile TGP that sold last year (i think it was last year) for $12,000 was worth that to them. Value can also be on a comparision basis, what else can you get with similar features for the price? For a car that turns heads, has a turbo and is as accomodating (among other things) as the TGP there isn't a whole lot else you can find. Making our cars more valuable for everyone has to start with us the guys who own them. If WE say they are worth more OTHER people will start to think that. But if WE refer to TGP's as worthless pain in the ass cars, thats how other will view them. Its unfortunate that the TGP had a sticker price of $26,000 in 1990, which I'm pretty sure is more than a GN or a Sy/Ty if you calcualte inflation, is worth less on average today. For me it just doesn't add up, and I want it to change.
Chris
Chris...
I understand what you are saying. I understand that if one person or a group of people have the corner on any market they can name their own price. What I said in my original reply was good luck selling his car for what he wants for it right now. With the car market where it is and the value of our cars being labeled as they are. If he gets that much for it now...all the power to him. I have already taken a stand on the value of our cars by saying I will take no lees than $6000 for mine... 8)
Mine was beat to hell when I got it. He wanted $2800. There is one on ebay that someone put up a link to. Mine looked just as bad as it. I did talk him down to $2300 but I would've paid way more than $2800. Ever since the first time I saw Waskie's website I wanted one. That was back in the 90's. I saw one for sale and I knew I would get it, no matter what I had to pay for it. Now I wouldn't sell it for anything. BUT I would and will buy another one.
Chris a and Tgpilot i totally agree.. We as TGP owners are a rare breed. I would not sell my car for anything. I love my car. Even though there are things that i want to do to it. But that is what a performance car is for. You should always want to inprove it.. That in turns boosts the value of the car. NO PUN INTENDED... :lol: No one knows what the value of our cars are until they have. and its not just having one its working on it and making it better watching it grow persay.. Plus there is always the past history of you adn your car. I had mine since i was 16 I have so many memories in that car that there is not enough money to replace them.. TO me my TGP is worth more than just about anything... Just my thinking on this matter.. KCP
I kinda like that they aren't worth a lot because I can buy them for cheap! :D I think if I ever tried to sell mine, I would have a difficult time until someone really knew what the car is.
This whole thing is blown up for what ever reason , I have no idea. TGPilot, don't candy coat what you said in the previous posts. 1st you tell me I wont get $5800 for a few more years and I might get $4000 but for me not to hold my breath.
2nd you tell that whatever KBB says then thats the value of my car.
Honestly I dodn't think you know at all about the car market or the TGP market for that matter. Otherwise you wouldn't make the foolish statements about the value of my car or what I'll get for it,unless you have inspected it first hand. This is a limited production car.
If I want $5800 for it GOOD. How does that effect you? You obviously aren't in the market for another one so whats the prob?
If you feel the need to debate me on an issue.......Pick a better one than this. You aren't making sense at all. Do you see me coming back with,
$6000? Oh you'll never get that for your car my friend, you may be lucky to get $3500, but don't hold your breath. I wont say that because the more money your car brings the more these cars go up in value. Period!
Quote from: TGPilot$5800 won't happen for a few more years my friend. You may get $4000 for it but don't hold your breath... 8)
This is what I said! As the market stands right now on these cars that statement is correct!! Unless you find someone who is looking for this car specifically you will not get $5800! It has nothing to do with the fact that I said it or anyone else says it. What the hell am I candy coating? The fact that I say that I think the value of these cars should be higher but they are not? I would be a total fool to not want to get more money returned on an investment. Yet you have already stated that you think I am a fool...I could care less.
As far as my car selling for $6000...like I said before if someone was to approach me with that much cash for my TGP it would be gone. Did I say I could sell it for that much???
DID I? What is the difference of a $200 sale price that you feel you need to get in my face about this!
I do not think these cars will sell for that kind of money now or in the near future! That is my opinion and if you don't like it....
FUCK OFF!!!!
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Don't tell me what I can or can't get for my car ass hole! Who do you think you are....The TGP authority? Like I said if I want $5800 for my car then shut up if your not a buyer. If you want to negotiate with me, this isn't the right way to get your price. Its $6500 for you Clown!
Wow and to think I was going to give you $6100 for it...$6500 is out of my range! So sad for me... :cry: I am sure there will be many people lined up to buy a TGP that is seriously above the current premium price.
I am way beyond finished with you! Have a nice day :moon:
okay okay people I know we like to Fight but start it in The Off Topic I can see both of you like fighting about this....
heck we all love a good Fight of words from time to time.....
Okay he will get that $$ because of the milage and "show Quality" I would pay it if I wasnt loosing my Job and getting a second ste if the wife lets me...... Plus if he waits untill Spring and summer and puts it on ebay he should beable to get it...also autotrader.com would help and hey if he gives me Pics and information I'll post it on my web site and 1000 people/month will see it..and it would sell......
so go ahead and start a Fight in the Off Topic....
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I am finished with this thread anyway Jeorge.... It is merely my opinion that these cars are not worth that much...my opinion!!! Yes they are fun to drive and have loads of options too...I just don't think they are worth that much. I am entitled to my opinion am I not? Just like he is entitled to think his car is worth $5800. I said for him to not hold his breath. My reason to say that is because it is going to take a special buyer to get that much for his car...8)
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