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Title: 90 TGP vs. 97 corvette
Post by: jarrade on November 25, 2010, 04:29:56 PM
Posted on w-body, figured i would see what you guys thought. A kid in my auto class went out and bought a 1997 vette. Its a base model with a 6speed (big whoop). Well after i had my new cold air kit made the next day at school we left and he tried to mess with me. We took off from the light and was babying it through first. When he went into second there was room between us so i 1/4 pedaled it and was on his bumper. He seen that and tried to take off. I went to half pedal and he couldnt pull me. After that he hurried up and jumped over and slowed down. He was mad! My little stock v6 kept up with his "big bad" vette. I thought it was hilarious. What do u guys think?
Title: Re: 90 TGP vs. 97 corvette
Post by: Fred931 on November 25, 2010, 04:50:15 PM
jajajajajajajajajajaja...

(http://files.sharenator.com/PWNED_RE_13_Year_Old_Called_a_Slut_s296x292_45785_Mens_Rights-s296x292-59338-580.jpg)
Title: Re: 90 TGP vs. 97 corvette
Post by: Jonpro03 on November 25, 2010, 08:51:27 PM
Why did you put a cold air intake on an intercooled vehicle? Do you know what an intercooler does?
Title: Re: 90 TGP vs. 97 corvette
Post by: Fred931 on November 25, 2010, 09:00:47 PM
Quote from: Jonpro03 on November 25, 2010, 08:51:27 PM
Why did you put a cold air intake on an intercooled vehicle? Do you know what an intercooler does?

I'm not 100% sure if it, well, cools the air after it passes through the turbo and goes into the engine, according to what I can see in the engine bay and my common sense. I'd like to know more, and, apparently, so would jarrade.  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: 90 TGP vs. 97 corvette
Post by: jarrade on November 25, 2010, 09:10:27 PM
yes i kno what an intercooler does. Did you even look at the picture? I relocated the filter so it direct feeds COLD air into the turbo. look at the pic if u already havent then maybe you will understand.
Title: Re: 90 TGP vs. 97 corvette
Post by: Fred931 on November 25, 2010, 09:29:30 PM
That makes sense now. I thought the turbo was already cooled by liquid, but if it helps...
Title: Re: 90 TGP vs. 97 corvette
Post by: mfewtrail on November 25, 2010, 10:25:44 PM
Either the guy can't drive a stick to save his life or something is severely wrong w/ the Corvette. A 1997 has 345hp and weighs less than our cars, so they're way faster.
Title: Re: 90 TGP vs. 97 corvette
Post by: Fred931 on November 25, 2010, 10:58:27 PM
Quote from: mfewtrail on November 25, 2010, 10:25:44 PM
Either the guy can't drive a stick to save his life or something is severely wrong w/ the Corvette. A 1997 has 345hp and weighs less than our cars, so they're way faster.

...Or you could just say that one of our TGP's beat a 'vette and be done with it.  :naughty:
Title: Re: 90 TGP vs. 97 corvette
Post by: Jonpro03 on November 25, 2010, 11:09:53 PM
Quote from: jarrade on November 25, 2010, 09:10:27 PM
yes i kno what an intercooler does. Did you even look at the picture? I relocated the filter so it direct feeds COLD air into the turbo. look at the pic if u already havent then maybe you will understand.

So you are feeding cold air to a turbo, the turbo compresses the air and heats it to about 250*, then it's sent to the intercooler to cool the charge to about 130* before it goes into the engine.


Yea, that was a good way to spend your money. Good call chief. You got like 75 horsepower out of it too, didn't you?

http://forums.superstreetonline.com/70/1006777/technical-support/what-is-an-intercooler-how-intercoolers-work-front/index.html
Title: Re: 90 TGP vs. 97 corvette
Post by: killinprixs on November 26, 2010, 12:26:39 AM
wow whats going on in here?    :leaving:
Title: Re: 90 TGP vs. 97 corvette
Post by: maxlap21 on November 26, 2010, 04:56:55 PM
A cold air doesn't add 75 hp, but it sure is better than sucking air from the stock air box or from the engine bay, directly behind the intercooler!

When you compress a fluid, the temperature increases a given amount, however, the lower the initial temperature is, the lower the final temperature is. Of course the intercooler decreases the temperature a great amount, but the final temperature would be lower if it enters at a lower temperature.

If adding cold air to a turbo/intercooled engine is useless, why do they make some for Subaru STi. The graph below is from a stock STi with and without Injen cold air intake.

(http://image.turbomagazine.com/f/12584842/turp_0812_06_z+2008_subaru_impreza_wrx_sti+injen_cold_air_intake_dyno.jpg)
http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/turp_0812_2008_subaru_impreza_wrx_sti/photo_06.html (http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/turp_0812_2008_subaru_impreza_wrx_sti/photo_06.html)

As for the original topic, you should take on that Vette side to side with a video too maybe. Whichever the winner, it could be fun to watch!
Title: Re: 90 TGP vs. 97 corvette
Post by: Fred931 on November 26, 2010, 05:16:35 PM
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Title: Re: 90 TGP vs. 97 corvette
Post by: jarrade on November 27, 2010, 10:38:25 AM
After i fix my crossover and up my boost i do plan on racing him again. This time im launching next to him lol. Il try and get a video but i cant guaruntee a video.
Title: Re: 90 TGP vs. 97 corvette
Post by: carlos robinson on January 03, 2012, 01:54:14 AM
thanks for the good info maxlap21 not only do you benifit from the slightly reduced inlet air temp you also benifit from the reduced restriction of the larger air filter.the less work the compressor has to do to to compress the air the less it is heated and the more cfm you get at the same psi vs.tem rise
Title: Re: 90 TGP vs. 97 corvette
Post by: NTRCOOL on January 17, 2012, 07:40:25 AM
Jarrade Tell your friend with the vette to come out to Midnight Mayhem this summer. :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: 90 TGP vs. 97 corvette
Post by: RobertISaar on January 18, 2012, 08:05:27 PM
while an intercooler does remove a lot of the heat generated by a turbo, the colder the air you feed to the turbo, the lower the temperature it is coming out of the turbo, since compressor efficiency is constant relative to inlet temp.

so, while it does provide some benefit, power/money may or may not be worth it.
Title: Re: 90 TGP vs. 97 corvette
Post by: jarrade on January 18, 2012, 11:35:45 PM
NTRCOOL-the kid comes out there all the time. he used to run a red turbo eclipse with black wheels tht ran 17s. he ran his vette at hangover fest and blew the trans/rearend out of it coming off the line. and the power/money comment is true but i didnt have to pay for the set up. the stainless piece was given to me and i already had the filter and rubber section
Title: Re: 90 TGP vs. 97 corvette
Post by: NTRCOOL on January 20, 2012, 07:41:35 AM
Damn I forgot about hangover fest. I've been stuck driving the 89 because my Festiva cracked the head.