I recently got a TGP...some of you may have seen it on Ebay. Here is my web page with pics.
http://www.geocities.com/pontiacmicai26/MyGPPage
As you can see, the front end is off...but is being put back on this week.
Question 1...does anyone have or know where I can get a tranny cooler? The on there now was damaged. PLease let me know.
Question 2...is there a fan upgrade? The bracket for the fan was also damaged and needs to be pulled. I figured while the front end is completely off, I might as well do what I can. I have seen different style fans with better blades to allow better air circulation. Does anyone have one or know what Im talking about??
I just thought of something else. I have the front bumper cover all ready to be put on....BUT...that lower piece under the bumper...I don't know what it's called...the air dam maybe...it's a seperate piece right? I didn't notice it attached on my new bumper. If it is seperate, where can I get one?
Thanks for any help!!!
First let me say welcome to the forum and don't mind the crazy people. Especially the one with 3 TGP's and 2 TSTE's. :lol: :drinking: ( Hi idbeast !) There are some very good people here and they really know their stuff. Enjoy your stay!
The piece you need (lower valance panel) is available from a GM dealer. Get one for a '91-'93 GTP.
BTW, It's nice to finally see a female on here with a TGP. (and a good looking one at that) :oops:
Thanks!! :lol:
Okay, I'm looking thru one of my GM catalogs here at work...I found 2 front lower valances. One is with the accent molding and one is without. Do you know which I need...I'll order it today....my car will be here getting put back together tomorrow. Thanks again!!
Hey -
PN # 12522768 is the lower valence panel. I ordered it from GM Parts Direct for $105 and $20 something in shipping. It lists for $180. Also order pn # 14101716 x 2. These are the mounting brackets.
Are you painting the car or leaving it purple? It does look like it's in good shape.. how's the cross-over? Good luck!
Thanx for the part #'s! I'll order them today.
I'm gonna keep the car purple. The paint job that was done on the car is incredible...all the door jambs, under the hood and trunk are all done perfectly. The body of the car is in almost mint condition and the color really is nice...the pics dont do it any justice.
As for the x-over...it is new. The engine and turbo were recently rebuilt....only 37,000 miles since the rebuild.
I am definitely looking forward to getting it on the road for summer time!! :)
** Just noticed something...I went to gmpartsdirect and looked up that part # for the valance....is that the whole bumper?? I just need the lower piece on the bottom of the bumper.
My GM book here says its part # 14087951 w/o molding or 14088031 w/ molding.
Sounds cool! Hope it treats you well! Be ready for some frustration! :shock: Oh yes, be ready!
Hi and Welcome The tranny cooler is usually in the radiator (fill side) The loop that runs along the front subframe is the power steering loop, and the oil cooler is under the r/fender. Aftermarket upgrades for the tranny and main fan (puller) can be ordered thru Summit racing.com Great catalogs too! Good luck and a cool color!
Thanks!
It must be the oil cooler that I need then...it's just hanging under the right fender.
I've been on Summit's web page before. Is there a way to look up parts by vehicle?
Thanx!
Summit has a good selection. Anyone that fits your line size and location will work, often a larger one would be a good more. They all do the same thing, cool oil. Some have small fans as well. They dealer may be able to get an original, but it may be pricey and may not do as well as a better aftermarket. Enjoy Rob NY
Hate to be a pain, but what is the oil cooler line size? I really need to get it ordered soon. The cooler on there now is pretty small...so it has to fit up in the fender.
The hoses to the cooler say 3/8. The cooler surface area is 11 x 4" and it has a mounting flange around it. A replacement similiar in size can be tie wrapped to the existing mounting holes as a suggestion.
I have a couple of stock trans coolers for sale. Check my page www.turbogpgarage.com and click on store to see what parts I have. I have alot more than that but its all I have up right now.
Chris
Hey redturbo, what can I say, crazy is fun... Got the new playtoy, 89 turbo Dodge shadow, put together and even got it painted black with a dark cherry pearl clear coat and running 12 PSI of boost!!! :shocked!: Man is it fun!!! Now to get started on the motor for the red 89 TGP, with the new Jeff M ultra flow heads and the 29lb injectors :mrgreen: :biggrin: :moon: :spin: :crazyeyes: :rofl: :eek2: :shocked!: :drinking: :drinking:
All of my parts are ordered and the car is on it's way to my shop today. This is the oil cooler I got. It's the closest I found to the stock size, since that's important because of the location. http://www.carparts.com/parts/newsearch2.asp?reflink=0-0-0-0-0&sourceid=2&parttypeid=3019&itemid=8658&autoidsearch=YES
I'll get some pics up as soon as my car is all back together.
that color in the ebay pic from the rear is soooo scweeet!
My car is in the shop now....I ordered the lower valance but I still need that cooler that is mounted under the driver side fender.
What cooler is that?? I was told that it was the oil cooler....but when I un-clamped it, red fluid came out...which leads me to believe that it's either tranny fluid or power steering fluid. Someone please help ....I need to order this ASAP. THANX!!!!!
that cooler in/behind the bumper is absolutely not a oil cooler!!! Its your tranny cooler. :wink:
Hmmm....thank you. So, I specifically need a tranny cooler....a regular engine oil cooler wouldnt work there I suppose.
Do TGP's have a stock engine oil cooler?
Thank you for the help!!!
drivers side??? you must mean passenger unless your TGP has some type of rigged tranny cooler. This is how the tranny lines go on a stock car. Tranny ----> lines which to toward the passenger side then into the radiator out of the bottom and into the tranny cooler which SHOULD be on the passenger side. I had a lot of rigged BS so I wouldn't be surprised! GL :D
NO! you do not need a specific tranny cooler. Most coolers are tranny/oil universal. If you can find a decent hayden/b&m unit that would be sufficient.
Ooops, I meany passanger side. I was ordering parts on the phone for a customer and I had that on my mind as I wrote the post.
Thanx! I'll order a Tranny cooler right now!
Okay, I ordered a Derale Tranny Cooler.
It is stock size but high performance. Since the mount under the fender has the holes pre-drilled, I was kinda limited to a certain size cooler.
But anyways, it's ordered. Thanx for the help.
Hello, and welcome!
Quote from: TGPRobNYHi and Welcome The tranny cooler is usually in the radiator (fill side) The loop that runs along the front subframe is the power steering loop, and the oil cooler is under the r/fender. Aftermarket upgrades for the tranny and main fan (puller) can be ordered thru Summit racing.com Great catalogs too! Good luck and a cool color!
Actually, there is a transmission cooler in the radiator (fill side) like Rob said, but the cooler inside the bumper on the passenger side is an additional transmission cooler. It has ducting in the bumper that brings in cold air while traveling. The reason there is one in the radiator is to keep the transmission fluid cool while idleing at a stop (when the additional transmission cooler is getting no air). If it wasn't there, the transmission fluid would easily exceed the coolant temp (220+ degrees). I just wanted to point that out so you aren't confused when you try to hook it up.
BTW, there is an engine oil cooler as well. Its a round cylinder that's mounted to a spacer on the block, and it's located inline with the oil filter. When you change the oil filter, that's what you are screwing the oil filter to.
If you wan't, check out my site. There is lots of pictures and performance stuff there for the TGP/TSTE.
http://www.turboste.com
Jason
Hi Jason Have you considered an additional oil cooler in series with the Rube Goldberg one around the oil cooler. I also want to block off the coolant into the TB. I may fabricate hard lines. Anyway the complete rebuild and detailed block/transaxle will be shoehorned back into the engine baytonite. While it was out I cleaned, polished, replaced corroded wire loom clamps, cleaned the wire loom, painted chassis etc. I'll wait until Prior has rebuilt masters availible for that swap. My upgraded rear calipers should be in this week also.....well back to the shop, Rob
Thanks for all the help! :)
I was looking at the naked front end of my car yesterday...and I also noticed that the fan is pretty bent up. So I figured I might as well get a new and better one. Any ideas on what's a good fan, and what size to get? Thanks again!!
Hey there...If I can't locate a replacement rad fan (stock) I will most likely get a high performance setup from Summit and make it fit. The factory stuff is expensive and very hard to locate used. Good luck
I measured the fan...it's 11 1/2" in diameter. Wouldn't it be hard to squeeze anything bigger in there without it rubbing the brackets?
I've been looking thru different catalogs and websites and the smallest fan I could find was 13" in diameter.
I just found this:
http://www.perma-cool.com/Catalog/Cat_page16.html
The first one 19010. It's 10" in diameter.
Would this work?
My stock fan blade itself measures exactly 15": across. The plastic support itself measures approx 16 x 16 " There are two rectangular cutouts in the lower metal valance that this assy sits in and then held by 2 10mm bolts on the top. The Permacool fans are nice. I believe you mount them directly to the core itself with feedthru plastic straps, thus making them universal in design. If I can't locate a replacement for mine, I will definately use the largest one that will fit. My car is being held hostage for a fan motor. The motor went back in smooth last nite and today it all plugs and hoses. I totally cleaned and flushed the oil cooler adapter and it was well worth it.. Lots of junk came out.Thanks for the link, Rob
I've got a good used motor. However, its just a motor for the fan. There is no connector, that would have to be spliced. And its the nut style. So if you have the original clip style it wouldn't work since I don't have the nut.
I noticed today while sitting in my TGP that radio won't turn on. It says 'Loc'. I pushed the Pwr button, but nothing happened.
And...what is a good engine degreaser? Do you have to keep it away from the turbo?
Thanx!
Chris
Quote from: 90TGPGirlThanks!
It must be the oil cooler that I need then...it's just hanging under the right fender.
I've been on Summit's web page before. Is there a way to look up parts by vehicle?
Thanx!
I am pretty sure that the cooler in the fender well is a tranny cooler. You can get a stock one for a Z34 that mounts on the rad support. or you can get a B&M soopercooler for ~$65, thats what i have on my monte as you can see in these pics:
http://www.geocities.com/redzmonte/accident.htm
Shane
Hi Chris I found a tranny cooler for you in Summit. It is almost the same thing as stock p/n BMM-70265 $45 Also I have ordered a Perma-cool PRM-19114 for the main puller fan This baby will do 2950cfm and only costs $89. and it is 14" and will fit. It will mount directly to the core with nylon feed thru straps. Check it out, Rob
Thanks for all the help! I did manage to find a tranny cooler that is basically OEM, but is considered high performance. It's a Derale Cooler.
I also noticed that I might need a new condenser, mine is pretty bent up. And maybe I'll go ahead and get that PermaCool fan.
I got my Top Gun chip and 160 t-stat yesterday, the air filter and breather tube are on their way! Yay!!
Anyways...a new probem has arose...the Anti-Lock light keeps flashing in my car and every time I press on the brake I hear this weird noise. What can that be?
Thanx again for all the help!
Hi Chris.... The "noise" is actually the brake pump building pressure. The brakes themselves are a problem, especially the master. I just rcvd my rebuilt master from Prior. Are you sitting down.....it was around $700 The rears are under engineered and sometimes just freeze. I'll be doing the master today.....come over and help me bleed them. LOL Easier said then done!
The top gun chip and K+N airfilter make these cars scream!
The brakes themselves on my car seem fine...I mean they work well. So, the Anti-Lock light flashing means I have a $700 problem?? Geez!!
First go under the hood and pull you abs relays and fuses and clean the contacts. If that doesn't work, pull out the pigtail under the brake fill and clean it and put it back. Also you may want to put on a new stop lamp switch $12. I had the same anti-lock flash with intermittant red brake light and it was the stop lamp switch. The part is cheap but a MF to put in. Its under your dash just about the steering assembly.
Have been down for a while, trying to get a few things done out here for people. 90TGPGirl, if your ABS pump motor comes on every time you put your foot on the brake, and cycles on often while the brake is held, and your ABS light is on it is your brake accumulator, very common to go on these (same on the ones of the Buick T-Types/GNs too). GM just jacked the price threw the roof so best to get one from Prior, their price runs less than a 1/3 GM?s retail. As for $700 for the ABS unit, that is insane, I know a few owners over the years that paid from $350 to only $450 max, if this is the case then we need to get a bunch of us together and petition Prior to not jack the price up so high and so fast (cost of living etc fine BUT!!). Their ABS unit is awesome, aside from an excellent rebuild, they correct the only non-wear problem with the unit, that is to replace the cast housing that holds the pump motor/accumulator/pressure switch with a nice solid piece of billet aluminum, nice job!
Well, gotta go, good luck, your getting things handled well it sounds, I too am glad for all the great help here for new owners, it sure helps my email in-box!!
Jeff M
$700... that's what happens when people don't return their cores, it screws everybody down the line!!!!!!! :shocked!: :drinking:
Okay, I am trying to find an accumulator. I guess while I have the spare cash, I should just go ahead and order one. I can't find it though. I see everything else like the control module, speed sensors, but nothing called an accumulator. Is there another name for it or somethin??
Facing the ABS unit, look to the left and way down, inside the metal heat shield, there is a round 4 inch ball black with yellow print on it, accumulator. Prior Reman is on the net, and sells these, that should help you??
Jeff M
Couple years back I did my brakes all around, never had a light flash once before I replaced them. That same day, my anti-lock light started flashing, and every time I step on the brake I hear the pump. I am gonna try to bleed them really well in the next couple of weeks, and hopefully that's whats causing it, however, knowing my luck, I just know I'm gonna have to buy the accumulator sooner or later. :?
Quote from: 90TGPGirlI measured the fan...it's 11 1/2" in diameter. Wouldn't it be hard to squeeze anything bigger in there without it rubbing the brackets?
I've been looking thru different catalogs and websites and the smallest fan I could find was 13" in diameter.
I just found this:
http://www.perma-cool.com/Catalog/Cat_page16.html
The first one 19010. It's 10" in diameter.
Would this work?
I was re-reading this and I think you are referring to the condenser fan, the one on the front of the car between the condenser and the bumper, not the one on the back between the radiator and engine. If thats the case, I have a stock replacment one. Its used, but in very good condition. Its possible to upgrade this fan, but I'm not sure there is a huge point to it since it comes on if the a/c has high pressure or the engine is really hot.
chris
My TGP is finally in the bodyshop all torn down. The hood and right fender were removed to fix the dents...but when they took the hood off, they saw that it had a lot more damage than they thought. It needs 8 hours of body time! Ouch! They told me that it would be easier to get a new hood, but they are like $1,500 bux! SO...I opted to stay with the original hood and use lots of mud! Anyways...just thought I'd share the progress. My car should be on the road next week....I can't wait...but man...my wallet sure can! But oh well, it's worth it.
Quote from: 90TGPGirlMy TGP is finally in the bodyshop all torn down. The hood and right fender were removed to fix the dents...but when they took the hood off, they saw that it had a lot more damage than they thought. It needs 8 hours of body time! Ouch! They told me that it would be easier to get a new hood, but they are like $1,500 bux! SO...I opted to stay with the original hood and use lots of mud! Anyways...just thought I'd share the progress. My car should be on the road next week....I can't wait...but man...my wallet sure can! But oh well, it's worth it.
Geez..it would be cheapter to modify a normal hood by cutting the holes in it. That's all they did anyway. :D You could even find a way to make it stronger. I noticed that the TGP hood is very weak in some spots. :roll:
Quote from: 90TGPGirlMy TGP is finally in the bodyshop all torn down. The hood and right fender were removed to fix the dents...but when they took the hood off, they saw that it had a lot more damage than they thought. It needs 8 hours of body time! Ouch! They told me that it would be easier to get a new hood, but they are like $1,500 bux! SO...I opted to stay with the original hood and use lots of mud! Anyways...just thought I'd share the progress. My car should be on the road next week....I can't wait...but man...my wallet sure can! But oh well, it's worth it.
I wouldn't recommend using alot of filler if thats whats needed. Do like was said and get a regular GP hood and cut the holes in it, its very easy to do. They are right that a new hood is $$$$, but because the hood is so flimsy with the large holes in it, chances are the filler may crack. THere is supposed to be some reinforcement kit, but I haven't actually seen it, but I have a part number on my page you may be interested in.
Chris
Well, here are some pics of the TGP in progress. The hood and fender came out real nice. They didn't need to use a ton of filler on the hood, they made sure not to make it even flimsier than it already is. As of right now, the car is in the paint booth. I should have it back by early next week.
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