Repleaced oil return line today...

[twinturbosedan]

your going to have a hard time convincing people to ditch the secondary fan, maybe relocate it. but that is why on 90 * days I can stick my hand down between the air filter and the turbo and feel gusts of cool air cooling the tranny and intake pipes.

why not?  after ditching the stock SMIC there is no need for the pusher fan.  i'm sure the advantages of a larger FMIC will far outweigh the stock SMIC + pusher fan.  after all, when you are moving the pusher fan is pretty much worthless ecspecially when you have all that frontal area the FMIC provides.

And I can run it hard, pop the hood and the charge pipe is always cool to the touch. no heat soak at all.

i don't believe that at all.  it isn't possible due to the charge pipe being right over the turbine housing & the stock intercooler simply isn't so effective that it will make the upper charge pipe "cool to the touch after a hard run".  it will be far from cool - it will be hot as hell after a hard run.  anyone here can do that test...i would bet you are the only one that has a charge pipe that is "cool to the touch" after a hard run.  i likely have a more effiecient stock IC than most people here - no condensor in front of the intercooler, and chip programmed to run the pusher fan nearly all the time.  after a hard run my upper pipe will be HOT.

it blows me away you are so bent on keeping the crappy stock intercooler yet you preach that CS-130D alternator stuff like it's the best TGP upgrade ever.

[dbtk2]

And I can run it hard, pop the hood and the charge pipe is always cool to the touch. no heat soak at all.

i don't believe that at all.  it isn't possible due to the charge pipe being right over the turbine housing & the stock intercooler simply isn't so effective that it will make the upper charge pipe "cool to the touch after a hard run".  it will be far from cool - it will be hot as hell after a hard run.  anyone here can do that test...i would bet you are the only one that has a charge pipe that is "cool to the touch" after a hard run.  i likely have a more effiecient stock IC than most people here - no condensor in front of the intercooler, and chip programmed to run the pusher fan nearly all the time.  after a hard run my upper pipe will be HOT.

it blows me away you are so bent on keeping the crappy stock intercooler yet you preach that CS-130D alternator stuff like it's the best TGP upgrade ever.

Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing.  I still have my AC condensor (not for long) but the fins are removed from it in front of the IC, and with anything more than normal driving the charge pipe isn't "cool to the touch."  I don't have a charge pipe anymore due to my topend swap (I have hose instead) but that was always hot before I did the swap, and my hose is pretty warm as well.  And I can garuntee you that my dads is also hot after a short run.  The stock intercooler with a pusher fan is nowhere near as efficient as the intercooler I posted above alone with no fan.  Hell, if you really want the pusher fan mount the thing on the fmic, but I don't know what good it will do.

Shawn

[TGPilot]

I really like that top down FMIC Josh has pictured! :shock:  I did some hokey measuring last week. Doing a top down FMIC, running the piping through the stock IC hole with the stock A/C condenser removed or resized, would only be 34" of piping with only three bends. Then to return to the throttle body would be 51-56" with 4 bends depending on how you bring it back up and what top end you have in place.

Having more fins does not necessarily hinder the cooling power of an intercooler. If anything it allows more radiant heat to escape. Now if they are packed together so close that it chokes off the airflow then sure it hurts. But if the fins are straight and there is enough room to the front and rear of the IC to allow for good airflow...the more fins the BETTER! :wink:

[z284pwr]

i don't believe that at all.  it isn't possible due to the charge pipe being right over the turbine housing & the stock intercooler simply isn't so effective that it will make the upper charge pipe "cool to the touch after a hard run".  it will be far from cool - it will be hot as hell after a hard run.  anyone here can do that test...i would bet you are the only one that has a charge pipe that is "cool to the touch" after a hard run.  i likely have a more effiecient stock IC than most people here - no condensor in front of the intercooler, and chip programmed to run the pusher fan nearly all the time.  after a hard run my upper pipe will be HOT.

I wasn't going to be the first to say this either....
However, Im not going to say anything about mine, mine has been chromed and no heat shielding at all on the turbo itself, its not extremely hot after driving hard, but you let it sit for 2-3 minutes and the pipe is an oven.  Oh and I also hae a chip that runs the pusher fan almost all the time as well, hell the cooling fan does to for that matter

[GangstGP]

i don't believe that at all.  it isn't possible due to the charge pipe being right over the turbine housing & the stock intercooler simply isn't so effective that it will make the upper charge pipe "cool to the touch after a hard run".  it will be far from cool - it will be hot as hell after a hard run.  anyone here can do that test...i would bet you are the only one that has a charge pipe that is "cool to the touch" after a hard run.  i likely have a more effiecient stock IC than most people here - no condensor in front of the intercooler, and chip programmed to run the pusher fan nearly all the time.  after a hard run my upper pipe will be HOT.

I wasn't going to be the first to say this either....
However, Im not going to say anything about mine, mine has been chromed and no heat shielding at all on the turbo itself, its not extremely hot after driving hard, but you let it sit for 2-3 minutes and the pipe is an oven.  Oh and I also hae a chip that runs the pusher fan almost all the time as well, hell the cooling fan does to for that matter

Well you shoulda listened to Jeff M like me.  He helped me pimp my ride, and everyone knows he is the legend. the other forum just banned me so later yall, figgur it out yourself from now on. PEACE!

Rick.

[twinturbosedan]

Well you shoulda listened to Jeff M like me.  He helped me pimp my ride, and everyone knows he is the legend. the other forum just banned me so later yall, figgur it out yourself from now on. PEACE!

Rick.

is there a reason anyone should listen to you in the first place?  your posts speak for themselves and it's clear to me you don't know much about these cars at all.  most of your posts don't even make any sense.  and yet you play it up like you know everything and everyone else here are complete idiots.  you're not fooling anyone but yourself here.

[TGPilot]

Well you shoulda listened to Jeff M like me.  He helped me pimp my ride, and everyone knows he is the legend. the other forum just banned me so later yall, figgur it out yourself from now on. PEACE!

Rick.

That is the quickest way to get him to not answer your calls or emails. He does not appreciate idol worship and he knows just like the rest of us that the TGP/TSTE is a mechanical beast. You will learn something new everyday as is he!

You were dismissed from the other forum because of your outbursts that seem to have no rhime or reason. Take it easy or you will be removed from here also. The other forum is only temporary...here will be permanent!

Have a great day!
-Kenny 8)

[z284pwr]

Okay, I think the comments about his pipe not being very hot may be over reacting, I did check out his Cardomain site and there does appear to be some heat shielding on both the turbo, the intake tube, and some other stuff around the engine bay, so i think it may be possible thats not super hot right after a hard run, the moving air can keep the upper intake tube cool enough to the touch until you let it sit and let the heat soak take over, then yes I can see it getting way hot.

[dbtk2]

I also looked at his cardomain site and he does have heat wrap around his upper charge pipe, which is probably why it feels "cool to the touch" after a hard run, when in reality the actual charge pipe is very hot because the heat wrap is just holding the heat in.

Just my opinion though.

Shawn

[TGPilot]

Alrighty...That's enough.

If you would like to open a new thread about Intercoolers and the pros and cons of each....do so, but this thread has gone far enough off topic. :wink:  8)