Turbo Cutlass with KAZ Motorsports tune!

[TGPilot]

If you are 100% sure that is the original "Kenny 5-speed chip" then this makes me wonder if the .bin I had labeled on floppy disks got mixed up when I was "learning" to burn and write chips and the "original" ass running chip got miss labeled. That would be a huge embarassment to me and would explain why Jeff M swore I copied his chip. That would suck because that really was an honest mistake that got blown way out of proportion.

I find it hard to believe it worked in any car though. It would not allow boost, ran ASS rich to a point of stalling all the time and fouled plugs, it would idle surge from 600RPM up to 1600 RPM all the time and a bunch of other driveability issues. It was a TERRIBLE chip and I thought I deleted the file all together when I started "working" with Mick for the short term.

Well hell that was nearly 4 or 5 years ago and look how far I have come now! ;) :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[twinturbosedan]

ahh...Jeff M told me awhile back ("behind closed doors" in a PM of course) that the chip i got from you was a modified Top Gun chip and that you admitted you had sold some copied TG chips and modified TG chips.  so i guess he was full of it?

it's too bad i don't have access to that old PM from Jeff so i could actually quote Jeff.  Luke might be able to look it up but meh, what's the point anyway...

i think the actual chip that started the shit between Jeff and Kenny was the TopGun chip that came in GPChief's old Turbo STE.  since Thomas and Kenny both lived in Colorado, Jeff assumed Kenny borrowed the TG chip from Thomas so he could copy the .bin and/or edit it and re-sell it as his.  the chip i got from you Jay just added fuel to the fire and it seems that Jeff M assumed yet again it must be his made-of-pure-solid-gold TG chip :laugh: that my car had (as if he's the only one that knows how to burn a TGP chip :icon_rolleyes: )

[twinturbosedan]

Whoops, replied at the same time.   :laugh:  Kenny, look at it.  I don't know what to tell you unless it got damaged, it's the VERY MEMCAL that my car ran brilliantly off of.  Which is why I don't have a clue why it wasnt' working on Josh's car.  I plucked it from my ECM and mailed it to him.   :icon_question:  And I do still have the .bin  and I can run a compare if you'd like.  Maybe some 1's and 0's got kicked around.   :laugh:

well, every car is different so that might have alot to do with why it ran so wierd/crappy in my car.  the speedometer was wayyyy off (i had to set the speedo at ~55mph to be traveling an actual 75mph), EGR code 32 came on after i unplugged/removed the actual EGR valve, it bucked like CRAZY, etc.  it boosted just fine though, however i was (and still am) using a MBC.  the car was pretty quick with that chip though (nothing like it is now with the new chip but it was still pretty quick).  the plugs never fouled out even though my dyno run last year in Denver showed sub 10:1 A/F as soon as it spooled up.

[twinturbosedan]

almost forgot, my car also had a very bad idle surging problem with the chip i got from Jay.  it would surge from way down to 400 RPM up to 1100 RPM.  not only that, if i were coasting in neutral the idle would surge between 1500-2000 RPM.

[Invasion1]

The first atmel and AMA i got from Jay (god910) when i was trying to get mine running was corrupted to the point nothing on it resembled the settings to run a car.....i blame the Xrays and stuff at the border when it was scanned.

Jay sent me the .bin for my settings we discussed and i have taken off from that point.

[twinturbosedan]

The first atmel and AMA i got from Jay (god910) when i was trying to get mine running was corrupted to the point nothing on it resembled the settings to run a car.....i blame the Xrays and stuff at the border when it was scanned.

Jay sent me the .bin for my settings we discussed and i have taken off from that point.

yeah, my chip might have gotten damaged from being bumped around while it was in the hands of USPS?  it's hard to say.  Jay said the speedo was accurate in his black 5-speed TGP even though he was using a Getrag 282 just like myself.

[Invasion1]

My point is the ones built with the AMA and Atmel AT29C256 chip don't ship or handle well at all.

Static bags and wrapped in 1/2 of tin foil was the way i shipped mine after i had a few DOA's when i first began selling them, after that no issues.

[TGPilot]

Oh well...all water under the bridge at this point in time. Mistakes happen and confusion inflicts. :icon_redface:

You are satisifed with the tune you have now Josh? Obviously NOTHING like what was in there.

[twinturbosedan]

Oh well...all water under the bridge at this point in time. Mistakes happen and confusion inflicts. :icon_redface:

You are satisifed with the tune you have now Josh? Obviously NOTHING like what was in there.

hell yeah i love it!  the only problem is that we forgot to take care of the code 32 EGR thing but that's no big deal.  no more idle surging at all; it's nice and smooth.  speedometer is now correct, bucking is 90% gone (i think my #5 injector may be leaking causing a bit of bucking).  idle settles down to ~1000 RPM while coasting in neutral instead of surging between 1500-2000 RPM like it used to do, and of course, the car is a helluva lot faster, ECSPECIALLY in 4th and 5th gear!  i had the car up to 125mph 2 days ago (the fastest i've ever had the car yet).  i actually got up to 112mph in 4th before having to shift to 5th, and even in 5th gear it pulled right up to 125mph NO problem!  it felt like i could have easily gotten up to 145mph if i wanted to (not that i would).

i'm kind of worried about the A/F tuning that was done considering we didn't know about the leaking wastegate lines at the time (my fault).  like i mentioned earlier, after i got home boost was spiking to ~15psi and then would settle down to 5-6psi up towards redline.  i just hope that we didn't make a fuel curve that was too lean considering what was essentially a boost leak.  i don't know if that was happening on the dyno or not, which is why i was wanting to get those dyno graphs emailed to me so i could see boost & A/F curves on my best run :icon_wink:  i remember my hp was dropping off towards redline which to me indicates boost was indeed falling off towards redline while on the dyno?  my whp barely dropped off at all when i dyno'd at DynoPros last year and that was with the MBC.

but yeah i did put the MBC back in when i got home from Colorado and the car got MUCH MUCH faster.  it was the first time i had actually lost traction in 3rd gear while on dry/clean pavement!  i wish i had dyno'd with the MBC instead because i had no idea the TGP wastegate solenoid lines were leaking.  according to my shitty Autometer mechanical boost gauge (seems to be very innaccurate) boost would spike to 15psi very briefly, then settle at 13psi to redline with the MBC installed.  i checked plugs after a few days of this and they all looked a tad lean (except #5, which looked normal) so i turned the MBC down 2 turns so the boost gauge is now showing a 13psi spike and settling at 11psi.

i'm going to install brand new R42LTS plugs today and re-check them after a few days.

but yes, the car is so much nicer to drive now not to mention being a helluva lot quicker!

[god910]

Yeah Kenny your chip looks pretty kick ass.  I just wish all you guys didn't live so far away.  I'm retired now, and am thinking about fixing the 5 speed car, and I need a little push.   :laugh:  I thinking of doing it kind of ghey though.  The cars pretty beat, so I'd be ditching the interior and all other non-essentials.  I'm thinking of pulling the drivetrain at least, and switching the brakes to vacuum, and doing the 5 speed swap *correctly*.  I have a friend here who has a DiscoTater with 1000 mi or so on it and only wants $450 IIRC.  Of course I'm going roatated mount in the WRX (GT30R) and will have my stock turbo to play with.  It's quite a bit bigger, but not that big.  But it'd be fun to play with (and I'd get some much needed fab practice time) and see what it could do. 

BTW, the WRX should be in the 11's come March, if my buyout goes according to plan.   :icon_twisted:

And Josh, with the added power you're making shouldn't you be running R43's?  The rule is 1 heat range for every 100 HP, and from the sounds of it, you're at least there.

[twinturbosedan]

And Josh, with the added power you're making shouldn't you be running R43's?  The rule is 1 heat range for every 100 HP, and from the sounds of it, you're at least there.

good point!  i'm glad you brought that up.  i know the L67 guys have to go to Autolite 104s after a few mods and then a different heat range plug with even more mods so i don't see why the same wouldn't apply to my engine.  what plug # would you recommend and what gap?  i'm currently running a .038" gap.  like R43LTS? (i'm not too keen on plugs haha).

btw, i'll be traveling through southern Indiana on I-64 later this week.  if i have the time/money maybe i could swing up to Muncie.

[mfewtrail]

If the ac Delcos go by the number, then R43's would be a hotter plug. The NA 3.1's run R44's for example. By the way, our stock R42LTS' are the same as the Autolite 103's(some sites cross-reference them to 104's though, most parts stores list 103's as the same thing fwiw). ;)

EDIT: The .038'' gap you're using now is fine. Did you smell of the plugs when you pulled them Josh? If you have a leaky injector, the plug on that #5 cylinder will smell like raw fuel after you let the car sit a while after driving it.

[intern8tion9l]

sounds like good times had at KAZ...congrats on the numbers for sure. glad you got that bucking taken care of, i think you were the only 5spd having this problem.

[GTDave]

sounds like good times had at KAZ...congrats on the numbers for sure. glad you got that bucking taken care of, i think you were the only 5spd having this problem.

VERY nice looking Cutlass!

[god910]

I think was run into before, and was pretty sure it was the other way, but by the looks of the n/a plug Matt's right.  But I know NGK's go number up, heat range down.  IOW, my WRX came with BKR6E's stock, I just installed BKR7E's to go one heat range colder.