Hi, everybody interested in racing and in TGP's

[Larry M]

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I'm a new member and this is my first post here.  I've been reading the various threads about racing and haven't finished them yet, but am impressed with all the mods that I've read about so far.  My newer TGP is stock and with 62,000 miles+ on it, it replaces my wrecked TGP red Pace Car form the movie "Days of Thunder." That car with 193,000 mile was totaled and later hauled away by State Farm for auto salvage. RIP 11-16-06

Glad to have found identical replacement red TGP. See photos on w-body.com

Also glad that stock chip was in at the time for successful emissions testing. It's tough testing in Illinois now.

I still have TopGun chip and pace car chip.  And there is a stock chip in the new TGP, for a short time.  ; )

[TGPilot]

Welcome to the board Larry! I saw the replacement car and she is beautiful!

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Also glad that stock chip was in at the time for successful emissions testing. It's tough testing in Illinois now.

I still have TopGun chip and pace car chip.  And there is a stock chip in the new TGP, for a short time.  ; )

Any chip that is altered that does not pass emissions (especially Colorado's Strict CRAP! :icon_rolleyes: ) is not a well done chip.

I am curious about the Pace Car chip...anyway you have to save the .bin that is loaded so I can see it? Maybe send me the chip and I will overnight it back to you as soon as I look at the .bin on it?

[Larry M]

TGPilot:

Thanks for welcoming me to the board. : )

Sorry TGP, but I am honor-bound not to reveal the source or code for the Pace Car chip.  Only Jeff M has seen it among normal mortals.  But it is authentic and made my previous car run like 350hp, though it might dyno somewhat less, or more, and I refuse to argue about that one way or the other because I don't know the answer, exactly.  : )

I couldn't say. But to downshift with light pressure on the accelerator, then keeping it at about 1/10 throttle, and the car would PULL up to 90-100 before requiring more pressure on the accelerator.  Imagine a ride like being on a magnetic bobsled.  It's the wildest chip I've experienced.

I can offer some information about the Daytona Pace Car that was used in 1989 for Daytona 500.  That car had Corvetter front brakes and may have had rear whell drive.  It had to go 130mph in third gear in case OD went out.  It had a specially-baffled oil pan that held about 12 quarts.  The problem is the centrifugal force driving the oil to the right side during high speed cornering and coming out of corners.  That car was in a museum by the time I first spoke to TGP Project Manager.


Now I want to know how folks with TGPs are posting photos with their cars raising the front wheels in wheelie fashion.  ; )

[kuntzie]

350hp  :icon_rolleyes:

ii cant see it happenning on the stock turbo sorry

welcome though.. your tgp is the hotness as i mentioned on w-body a while back

[TGP Nick]

TGPilot:

Thanks for welcoming me to the board. : )

Sorry TGP, but I am honor-bound not to reveal the source or code for the Pace Car chip.  Only Jeff M has seen it among normal mortals.  But it is authentic and made my previous car run like 350hp, though it might dyno somewhat less, or more, and I refuse to argue about that one way or the other because I don't know the answer, exactly.  : )

Not to be rude, or pry into personal info, but you are honor-bound by whom?  Why?  To me it seems weird to be honor bound by a CHIP.  Once again, not tryin to be a jerk or be rude, but what's up with that?  :icon_neutral:

[TGPilot]

I find it hard to believe GM still has OBDI technology still under secret hats. Thanks though.

Curious...why would you need a larger oil pan on a high bank track like Daytona (33% I think)? At 80 MPH which the Pace Car runs for NASCRAP at Daytona back in the late 80's early 90's, the oil is definitely still on the LEFT side of the oil pan.

So you are saying that your car would take you to 100MPH with only slight throttle input?

[kuntzie]

^ agreed i dont think that the larger oild pan would be needed at all.

also i still dont believe that the tgp in the movies days of thunder was only used in days of thunder. and if it was i couldnt have seen it being re sold.


now wait a second here now....


sorry if this offends

but why in the hell would GM leave that "special chip" in the car is beond me

[TGP Nick]

^ sorry if this offends

but why in the hell would GM leave that "special chip" in the car is beond me

EXACTLY!  To me it doesn't make sense to leave the chip in the car and force you to not release any info about it; but that's me.  Not to be rude or anything...

[mfewtrail]

^ sorry if this offends

but why in the hell would GM leave that "special chip" in the car is beond me

EXACTLY!  To me it doesn't make sense to leave the chip in the car and force you to not release any info about it; but that's me.  Not to be rude or anything...

GM didn't force him not to release anything, he told Jeff he wouldn't release the info about the pace car chip. EDIT: At least, that's the way I interpreted it....

I honestly doubt the pace car chip is a whole lot different from the chips that Kenny has been toying with lately. GM was making 300hp+ w/ these cars back before the hit showrooms...remember the 5spd prototype? ;) Kenny has proven that he could make that same 300hp @ the crank and then some w/ more tuning. I would imagine ~330hp or so would probaby be approaching the limits of our stock setup if you still want to run it on pump gasoline...but that's just a guestimate.

[twinturbosedan]

Sorry TGP, but I am honor-bound not to reveal the source or code for the Pace Car chip.  Only Jeff M has seen it among normal mortals.

what a load of crap :icon_rolleyes:  so Jeff M is "special" enough to see this .bin file an no one else?  pfftt....

TGPilot IMO is far superior in chip tuning abilities than Jeff M anyway....so i guess it doesn't matter.  i went from a  Jeff M Top Gun chip to Kenny's chip and gained ALOT!

[twinturbosedan]

350hp  :icon_rolleyes:

i cant see it happenning on the stock turbo sorry

agreed....i doubt 350hp is even possible at the crank with the stock turbo much less 350 whp.

[TGPilot]

The reason I asked about the Pace Car chip is because back when I first started with TGPs Jeff M did his infamous "pm behind closed doors" routine. He blasted me with an ungodly amount of information, made it sound like the TGP/TSTE performance is impenetrable unless I bowed down to his knowledge and bought his product, and that the PACE Car chip was the most severe and well thought out chip on the planet that only he could understand. I have a feeling that that chip is not as hot as "god"/Jeff M thinks. That was the only reason I wanted to see it. To finally get some additional closure on a sore subject with me.

I am sorry for asking for the Pace Car chip, but what I am truly sorry for is that Jeff M continues to catch new folks that do not have any other knowledge of these cars and blasts them with his high and mighty BS....and they fall for it! :ugone2far:

[TGP Nick]

Sorry TGP, but I am honor-bound not to reveal the source or code for the Pace Car chip.  Only Jeff M has seen it among normal mortals.

what a load of crap :icon_rolleyes:  so Jeff M is "special" enough to see this .bin file an no one else?  pfftt....

TGPilot IMO is far superior in chip tuning abilities than Jeff M anyway....so i guess it doesn't matter.  i went from a  Jeff M Top Gun chip to Kenny's chip and gained ALOT!

This got me thinking... somebody who has both the Topgun160 chip and the Kenny chip should do a dyno of both, so they can be compared, along with pros and cons of each.  I'm looking to buy a chip soon, so I'll be interested to see how they perform.   :icon_cool:

[TGPilot]

I have already done it...

http://www.tgpforums.com/index.php?topic=3576.0

[Larry M]

Like a lot of other owners, I took the stock chip that came in my former "Days of Thunder" pace car car down to the dealer for replacement under warranty because of the clunking/driveability problems that were inherent in the original stock chips.  I'd guess you already know about that.  : )

The Pace Car chip is another story, which I certainly won't be revealing to anybody else, simply because of a promise I made long ago; period. Sorry, but that is a secret.

That chip was not of Jeff M's design or execution. I do have a J&M Studios Top Gun chip also which I ran in my first TGP. Driveability was always perfect with Jeff's chip, but he actually made the final adjustments on the highway under various conditions.  Then we went back and he burned the final chip, custom-made, one-off for my car.  That is a custom process. Nobody else has that exact chip either.  : )

I have been told that the TGP Pace Car for Daytona 500, in 1989, had to do 140mph in third gear, without ovedrive (in case overdrive failed). It passed that test without a problem. How many hp does that take? But no one out here has that exact chip and the turbo wasn't a stock turbo anyway. Rear-wheel drive wasn't a stock item either. No one that I know ever said that the Daytona 500 Pace Car TGP was stock, but the car looked stock.  That car went into a museum in Dearborn, I think: )

I'd love to drive that TGP. : )  I'd imagine it's still there in the museum.

Big weather changes got in the way of a trip to Minnesota. I may have to wait until the spring thaw. But if it gets up to 80? F. in December, who knows?