What are symptoms of #9 or #10 camshaft lobe wear?

[TGed]

You dont NEED them, all you would have to do is grind the existing plates with a dremel cylinder grinding bit ($2.33 at your local lowes or home depot) about 1/16" of an inch.

I have a few Gen 2 vehicles, and I did the 1.6 rocker swap on all of them (One has the roller tip style) .  The first one (roller tips) I just used the grinding wheel method, the other one I didn't even bother since the car is a Daily Beater that I literally BEAT the piss out of.  The last vehicle I did the grinding method again. 
No problems from any of the vehicles.

Roller tipped style are over rated.  I will NEVER buy those EVER again.  They are loud, require valve lash, and nearly impossible to install with LIM still on engine.

[flybynite]

  I also have been turning wrenches for many years and currently in school to be a mc technician..
Like I said, I was just curious to how you found the valves floating.

Sorry I underestimated your skills Nick, But If you had worded your post a little bit different I would not have been so defensive with my reply

Seriously?  How can you prove this?  I'm not saying that I don't believe you, but it is kinda hard to believe this would happen on a stock application, especially at such low RPMs..

Just re read it and you will see what I mean... But regardless I'm sorry if I upset you Nick, That was not my intention..
   Back to the topic..
  I have seen valve float in countless datalogs of cars I have tuned, not just TGPs. On TGPs it usually occurs @ or around 4800rpm. It starts by the A/F ratio starting to jump around a bit and soon knock counts occur. For those of you wondering why your car seems to loose power in the upper rpms this could be your problem...
Here is a link to some bosch design III injectors
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/LS1-Stock-GM-Fuel-injectors-NO-RESERVE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a543Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem130278094883QQitemZ130278094883QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
There are many auctions for these type injectors, these were the cheapest starting bid...

[TGP Nick]

Interesting.. thanks ;)

[RICHTGP]

Definitely want those 1:6 rockers. Let me know how much and when I can get them!! ;)

[TGed]

check your pm's

[mfewtrail]

You dont NEED them, all you would have to do is grind the existing plates with a dremel cylinder grinding bit ($2.33 at your local lowes or home depot) about 1/16" of an inch.

I have a few Gen 2 vehicles, and I did the 1.6 rocker swap on all of them (One has the roller tip style) .  The first one (roller tips) I just used the grinding wheel method, the other one I didn't even bother since the car is a Daily Beater that I literally BEAT the piss out of.  The last vehicle I did the grinding method again. 
No problems from any of the vehicles.

Roller tipped style are over rated.  I will NEVER buy those EVER again.  They are loud, require valve lash, and nearly impossible to install with LIM still on engine.

I know they aren't needed, but it is much simpler to bolt on the 1.6 guideplates instead of doing any grinding. ;)

[cobracmdr]

Here is my chance to be the nayser, I have never modified anything in the 3 cars I have put 1.6 ratio rockers in.  Just bolt them in and go.  I have not had ANY issues with this. 

[GOT2B GM]

All I did when I put the 94-95 1.6 stamped rockers in, was swap the pushrod guides out for the newer style (deeper slots in the newer ones)

Rocker arm studs are the same.

[mfewtrail]

Here is my chance to be the nayser, I have never modified anything in the 3 cars I have put 1.6 ratio rockers in.  Just bolt them in and go.  I have not had ANY issues with this. 

Stock guide plates Ken? The stock ones in my car were rubbing pretty badly is why I swapped them out. I think I posted a picture in the stickied thread of where they were rubbing.

[GPChief]

This is what happens when you don't grind the down correctly.   These were with the crane 1:6 roller tip rockers........that was a big mistake getting those, had to readjust twice, then this happened driving from TX to CO.  I had initially adjusted the lash then took a piece of a Manila folder to see if there was clearance between the pushrod and guide. I'll be putting the stamped steel ones on the TSTE with the newer guide plates. :icon_cool:

[GOT2B GM]

The way I see it, if your pulling the stamped 1.6 rockers from a donor car anyways, the proper guideplates are right there. Takes 5 mins extra work to remove those as well. No grinding required.

[TGed]

Was that after grinding or no grinding at all? 
That is weird....  Even more weird IF it was grinded some.

[TGed]

The way I see it, if your pulling the stamped 1.6 rockers from a donor car anyways, the proper guideplates are right there. Takes 5 mins extra work to remove those as well. No grinding required.

Well either way you have to remove the guides to do it "right" anyway.  I just preferred modifying it my self since most engines that had the rockers was all sludged up and junk.

[GPChief]

Was that after grinding or no grinding at all? 
That is weird....  Even more weird IF it was grinded some.

It was grinded, took a small round file, then sand paper to clean it up some.  Both Kenny and I were surprised to find this.

[GOT2B GM]

I guess, I cleaned my rockers and guides with degreaser in a parts washer at work. :laugh: