so i sold my '91 Turbo 5-speed Cutlass sedan about 3 weeks ago for $2000. i bought a 'new' car today. like my Cutlass, this one is also Turbo, 5-speed, blue, '91, a sedan, and domestic lol. unlike my Cutlass, it has wayyyyy more potential, way less miles, and is just all together a much nicer car IMHO. it's a '91 Dodge Spirit R/T, 1 of 1208 made, and 1 of 434 made in white (well, it was white anyway). it has the 224hp 2.2L DOHC 16-valve Intercooled 'Turbo-III' engine and the bulletproof A-568 5-speed transmission (New Process trans with Getrag gearset). 12" disc brakes front and rear and the rear discs are even vented. 115,000 miles, clean interior, NO RUST at all! i need to replace the front bumper obviously, as well as the turbocharger and buy a new oil/coolant line set front FWDPerformance.com. the previous owner lost the keys, so i either have to get new door/trunk lock cylinders and a new ignition switch or get keys made for them. hopefully that is all it needs to get it going again but i'm sure there will be a few other things that pop up as well.
anyways, didn't have time to do anything to it today besides get some pics...
(http://www.turbosedan.com/spiritrt/DSC03458.JPG)
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the airbox and some other misc. underhood parts are in the trunk; it's all there. as for the front bumper cover, my brother and i found this 3.0L Spirit ES at a local j/y:
http://www.turbosedan.com/spiritrt/DSC03456.JPG (<-- even has the correct grill)
i paid $800, not bad for a complete, totally rust free 115,000 mile Spirit R/T. hell i've seen some Turbo-III cylinder heads (Lotus designed) go for $1000+ on ebay and that is just for the head alone. the interior is in really nice shape too; i just need to clean it up before i get pics. i didn't even have to go anywhere to get it either, the car was already sitting in the apartment parking lot where i live :icon_biggrin: this is the only other Spirit R/T i have ever seen besides my brother's red '91 R/T. besides the color, this one is optioned exactly like his. i'm going to peel off those cheesy graffics tomarrow. i already peeled off the part that was on the driver's side fender as you can see in the pics above and it came off real easy.
not too bad, I always wondered how they were, I used to have a spirit some years back... get a new bumper and lose them gay flames, and see how she is...lol
I didn't know they came 5 speed though... interesting...
And fuel injected too, my 90 spirit was TBI... got any interiorr picks?
Quote from: meltboy11 on September 25, 2007, 09:03:38 PM
not too bad, I always wondered how they were, I used to have a spirit some years back... get a new bumper and lose them gay flames, and see how she is...lol
I didn't know they came 5 speed though... interesting...
And fuel injected too, my 90 spirit was TBI... got any interiorr picks?
i'll get some interior pics but i really need to clean/vacuum it out first.
I hope those are decals! If so, remove them asap. :laugh: That should be fun to play with once you replace those parts. How fast have people made those on the stock turbochargers?
all of the decals will be gone tomarrow :icon_mrgreen:
i'm not sure how fast people have gone on the stock turbocharger. it's a fairly small Garrett T3. i know there are quite a few R/Ts well into the 12s and some 11s. the fastest TIII powered car is actually in an 80s Charger a guy owns up in Canada i think. i think he has hit 8s :icon_eek: that's a full-on race car though. the most popular turbo upgrade seems to be the T3/T04 hybrid. 3-bar cals readily available :icon_biggrin:
i know one guy hit 501whp with his '91 Spirit R/T on stock block & head, cams, PT SC6152S turbo, 30psi with alcohol injection IIRC.
I personally would not have given $50 for it just because its a dodge isn't that right Tim, Dodge SUCKS!! hint hint :laugh:
And for those who doesn't know Tim every car he owns is a dodge or chrysler ;)
Kickass Josh, that should clean up real nice :) bet it drives like a dream too.
That $800 LeBaron GTS that Pete got.. he found out it needs a headgasket :icon_evil: sucks but it should be a quick job with me and him doing it. I don't know if he got it to stop boost spiking.
Quote from: GutlessSupreme on September 26, 2007, 09:35:37 AM
Kickass Josh, that should clean up real nice :) bet it drives like a dream too.
That $800 LeBaron GTS that Pete got.. he found out it needs a headgasket :icon_evil: sucks but it should be a quick job with me and him doing it. I don't know if he got it to stop boost spiking.
oh it will be awhile before i'm able to drive it.. maybe next spring? it's going to be quite a project.
my GTS needed a headgasket too. it was blown when i bought it (didn't even know it was blown until i pulled the head off lol). not sure why his boost would be spiking. i had mandrel bent 2.5" exhaust on my GTS and never had that problem. mine had the Turbo-II just like his car. could be issues with the factory vacuum harness, or possibly a bad wastegate actuator?
I figured the wastegate wasn't opening too.. he pieced together a boost control valve at home depot but I didn't think that would solve his problems, I haven't heard any results yet. We'll probably work on the GTS and the STE this weekend, hopefully get a few things sorted out. My car's pretty close to ready, I think, but I know they're both going to be ongoing projects (aren't they always? :rolleyes:). It's been 22 months since I pulled the STE off the road, hopefully that won't be happening again in the near future...
anyway, sorry for off-topic. back to you, Josh.
dericerfied:
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Quote from: jimmy on September 25, 2007, 10:25:27 PM
I personally would not have given $50 for it just because its a dodge isn't that right Tim, Dodge SUCKS!! hint hint :laugh:
And for those who doesn't know Tim every car he owns is a dodge or chrysler ;)
come on Jimmy stop breaking my stones or I'll have to say things like I drove my TIII today did you drive your TGP?
Quote from: TurboSedan on September 25, 2007, 10:16:58 PM
all of the decals will be gone tomarrow :icon_mrgreen:
i'm not sure how fast people have gone on the stock turbocharger. it's a fairly small Garrett T3. i know there are quite a few R/Ts well into the 12s and some 11s. the fastest TIII powered car is actually in an 80s Charger a guy owns up in Canada i think. i think he has hit 8s :icon_eek: that's a full-on race car though. the most popular turbo upgrade seems to be the T3/T04 hybrid. 3-bar cals readily available :icon_biggrin:
i know one guy hit 501whp with his '91 Spirit R/T on stock block & head, cams, PT SC6152S turbo, 30psi with alcohol injection IIRC.
Yes these motors do have great potential but remember 80's charger is far from stock. He hasn't made it into the 7's I think his best time was close to 8.04. Here is a picture. He is running 2 injectors per cylinder.
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Looks better already without the decals. I picked up my second Iroc R/T for $800.00 last year after a hurricane partially flooded it. No damage to the TIII or 568. I offered it to Jimmy for what I put out to get it here but he is true to the TGP. Let us know how it matches up to your twin brothers R/T. He is way ahead of you with mods so catch up quick.
Tim
These cars are great cars. coming from the turbo dodge world, these cars are all that i know. If your looking for a forum, check out turbododge.com. these guys have been around for years and can help you out of any problem you encounter.
By the way, awesome deal on that car. A T-III for 800 bucks, what a steal.
Im jealous, theres a lady here locally selling one. But the wife says I have to many toys..
Quote from: ShelbyCSX432 on October 04, 2007, 09:14:00 AM
These cars are great cars. coming from the turbo dodge world, these cars are all that i know. If your looking for a forum, check out turbododge.com. these guys have been around for years and can help you out of any problem you encounter.
By the way, awesome deal on that car. A T-III for 800 bucks, what a steal.
The thread starter (malibuolds) and his twin brother (iTurbo) are both on turbododge.com and I am Charger R/T there. I assUme you are there as well with you user name. I found TD.com has a user with the same user name is that you? If so I checked out your page with pictures of your csx.
Tim
Quote from: TGPvsTIII on October 06, 2007, 07:36:44 PM
Quote from: ShelbyCSX432 on October 04, 2007, 09:14:00 AM
These cars are great cars. coming from the turbo dodge world, these cars are all that i know. If your looking for a forum, check out turbododge.com. these guys have been around for years and can help you out of any problem you encounter.
By the way, awesome deal on that car. A T-III for 800 bucks, what a steal.
The thread starter (malibuolds) and his twin brother (iTurbo) are both on turbododge.com and I am Charger R/T there. I assUme you are there as well with you user name. I found TD.com has a user with the same user name is that you? If so I checked out your page with pictures of your csx.
Tim
Yes, I have the same name on turbododge. Whats even more interesting is that my name is Tim as well. I've sold my CSX, I dont want to sell it, but then again I'm ready to get rid of it. I just want something that is easy to drive. I'm a sucker for these rare cars, and obviously I found a Turbo Gran Prix. All power options . . . I'm sold already. Let alone the potential. Granted, in 2 weeks, I may be kicking myself in the @$$, but at least it will be something different.
i've been so busy with my Regal GS that i haven't had time to do anything with the R/T yet. on top of that i'm moving back down to Laramie this month so it might be a little while yet before i can start in on it. my brother and i are going down to Laramie tomarrow to find an apartment. hopefully we can find one with a garage!
Tim, like you i sold my last car and bought another one because i just really wanted something different. my TGP powered 5-speed Cutlass was a TON of fun! but i had owned the car for 7+ years and i guess i just got kind of bored with it. i used to own a rare T2/A555 '89 Lebaron GTS and i really liked that car. it was only a matter of time before i owned another TD :laugh: there was no way i was going to pass on this R/T, rust free, fairly low miles, and already sitting in front of my apartment :icon_biggrin: i'm surprised my brother didn't snag it before i did, but then again he already has a Shelby Lancer, Omni GLH Turbo and of course the red Spirit R/T. he is currently collecting everything needed for a 2.5L TIII swap into his Shelby.
it looks like i could probably get this R/T going after i replace the turbo and lines, but i'd rather just pull the engine/trans and go through it this winter.
Quote from: TurboSedan on October 07, 2007, 08:44:07 AM
i've been so busy with my Regal GS that i haven't had time to do anything with the R/T yet. on top of that i'm moving back down to Laramie this month so it might be a little while yet before i can start in on it. my brother and i are going down to Laramie tomarrow to find an apartment. hopefully we can find one with a garage!
Tim, like you i sold my last car and bought another one because i just really wanted something different. my TGP powered 5-speed Cutlass was a TON of fun! but i had owned the car for 7+ years and i guess i just got kind of bored with it. i used to own a rare T2/A555 '89 Lebaron GTS and i really liked that car. it was only a matter of time before i owned another TD :laugh: there was no way i was going to pass on this R/T, rust free, fairly low miles, and already sitting in front of my apartment :icon_biggrin: i'm surprised my brother didn't snag it before i did, but then again he already has a Shelby Lancer, Omni GLH Turbo and of course the red Spirit R/T. he is currently collecting everything needed for a 2.5L TIII swap into his Shelby.
it looks like i could probably get this R/T going after i replace the turbo and lines, but i'd rather just pull the engine/trans and go through it this winter.
Thats awesome. My buddy down here has a GLHS that is in pretty good shape. It's getting a T3/T4 this winter. He says that I'm going to regret selling my CSX, but also told me that I will love the way this Gran Prix drives and handles. like I said in my other post, hopefully I'm not digging a deeper hole.
finally some progress!
well for the first time since i bought my Spirit R/T over two months ago, i finally did something to it! up until now the only things i have done is remove those riced out graphic stickers that were on it and put it on a trailer to haul it down to my new place.
the turbo was completely trashed; i've never felt so much shaft play. it was just flopping around inside. REALLY easy to remove compared to a SOHC Turbo Dodge, probably even easier than a TGP. after i removed it i found oil all over inside. there is no way this thing can be rebuilt since it looks like the compressor wheel had obviously come into contact with the housing. i also removed a few other things in preparation for removing the cylinder head. the bottom of the intercooler is filled with oil, along with oil all over the throttle body and intercooler hoses. even the downpipe has oil all over in it. i pulled the cam covers off and it appears to be extremely clean inside. from what i can tell so far all of the cam lobes look perfectly smooth. only one lifter was missing the plastic retainer piece, other than that minor detail the valvetrain looked absolutely great. i haven't cleaned the valley area yet, but i looked very closely with a bright flashlight and i cannot see any signs of cracks. it still has the original steel core plugs (factory steel plugs in an aluminum head, wtf), but so far it looks fine. the spark plug threads looked really bad - looked like they had milkshake oil on the threads but fwiw i found them to be VERY loose....like just barely more than handtight so maybe that had something to do with it? the previous owner told me he thought the head gasket was blown because it was smoking so bad but i think it was obviously the turbo. the coolant in the radiator is bright green and does not appear to be contaminated, and the motor oil is clean and full as well. i do plan on having the head pressure checked, valve job with new guides, resurfaced (?) along with new FWDP lifters and titanium retainers and cometic HG. i'm probably just going to locate a stock turbo for now although i would love to get a T3/T04E .63 stg-II 50-trim later. i just need to get this thing running first and fix all of the issues leftover from the previous owner.
i also removed the front bumper and cover. the previous owner said he hit a pole while drunk. thankfully no damage at all besides the bumper cover and the bumper itself needs to be replaced. i have already located a replacement Spirit ES (w/foglights & gfx) bumper cover in a local salvage yard.
it was dark out, snowing and 21*F, all inside of a tiny garage that has no electricity. i made due with my maglight :D i also don't have a jack so it was kind of a bitch cramming myself under the car to unbolt the downpipe hah. feels good finally making some progress though! anyway, here are some progress pics:
yeah, the previous owner decided to paint the cam covers orange. yuk.
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oil in the downpipe:
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alot of oil came out of the compressor inlet when i flipped it on its side:
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bunch of oil sitting in there....you should see the intercooler!
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the lower lip appears to be good, so i guess i'll keep that:
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evenutally i would like to get a FWDP 3-bar cal, Accufab AFPR, +40 injectors, Walbro 255, ported exhuast manifold and lightly ported head, Spearco FMIC (top-down, inlet/outlet on same side), T3/T4 hybrid (wish i could afford a GT30R), 3" mandrel bent exhaust, adjustable cam sprockets and have the A568 rebuilt with OBX LSD....and of course get it repainted the original white. fastest Spirit R/T that i know of with stock turbocharger (small Garrett T3) and no weight reduction has gone 12.44 @ 110 so it has alot of potential.
that turbo reminds me of the turbo that was on my TIII when I bought it. Mine smoked like a pig and oil was dripping out the tail pipe. The guy I bought it off of put a trash can lid under the tail pipe to catch the oil while we ran the engine to use the cig light to plug a compressor in to top off a rear tire on it. When I jacked it up to take the turbo off I ended up with a puddle under the tail pipe about 18 inches round. It also smoked for days after the new turbo was on.
Your starting to look good now build it to beat your brothers. Have you thought about alcohol injection for cooling instead of the FMIC. I was reading on TD.com some are just shooting alcohol to cool. maybe +20 with a +40 cal and alcohol (don't know if that has been done but I thought it would work). Or drop fuel pressure and top it off with alcohol. Larry (4sfed) he thought with the alcohol he was shooting the FMIC wasn't needed the stock IC would have worked just fine.
Tim
That turbocharger reminds me of my old Volvo when I got it. The T3 in it had a bad cold side seal and the intercooler had damn near a 1/2 quart of oil inside of it. All the ic plumbing was coated in oil and the old exhaust I cut off the car was full of burnt oil as well. Driving it w/ that turbocharger would equal giant blue smoke clouds. :laugh:
for some reason my brother's R/T is a dog to tell you the truth. could be fast but it has some issues that have us stumped. it is a complete DOG down below 2800 RPM but then it really wakes up and screams to redline. it also bucks in the lower RPM kinda like my Turbo Cutlass did (though not nearly as bad). he has stage-1 LWP reground cams in there and i really think that might be the culprit. Wallace has told him that he may have gotten stage-II cams by mistake. he has a good set of spare TIII cams (stock) and we're going to try putting those in to rule them out. it revs real slow and i think he only has 10" vacuum at idle despite good compression (though we are at high elevation). i'm sure part of it is the 3.50 FDR hybrid trans he has in it, but damn, that thing has no low end torque at all. i can get a real good launch out of it but i have to rev it up pretty good. with that FDR you can really wind 1st gear out. we've messed with the cam timing several times, swapped out the SBEC, etc. he is pretty frustrated with it. anything above 10psi and it pings so he's just left it at 7psi for now. he does have +20s in there but strangely enough he gets awesome gas mileage and the plugs look good. he did get some high octane fuel from the airport once and raised the boost; no KR and holy crap it hauled ass! i don't think he is going to do much with it anytime soon. he just blew the engine in his GLH so we're swapping a 2.5L TIII into that along with an A555/A525 hybrid. i like my brother's R/T, but i'll be keeping stock gearing and cams in mine for sure. hell if i were to buy a turbo today i'd be kind of tempted to just get a stage-I .63 housing instead of stage-II. 7200ft elevation = SLOWWWW spoolup. just going down to 4500ft makes a world of difference. after owning my Turbo Cutlass, i just can't stand lag.
alky injection might be the way to go. i want to keep AC in this car. my brother is coming down on Monday and we're going to test fit a large NPR intercooler while the front bumper cover is off. i don't think it is going to fit very well unless it is mounted on the engine bay side of the radiator (like it is in his GLH), and i doubt there is room for it in there. maybe if it were SOHC lol. i think we're going to pull the cylinder head off on Monday as well. i know this engine has been rebuilt at least twice. if i find Turbo-II pistons in there i will be pissed.
Quote from: mfewtrail on December 07, 2007, 10:25:37 PM
That turbocharger reminds me of my old Volvo when I got it. The T3 in it had a bad cold side seal and the intercooler had damn near a 1/2 quart of oil inside of it. All the ic plumbing was coated in oil and the old exhaust I cut off the car was full of burnt oil as well. Driving it w/ that turbocharger would equal giant blue smoke clouds. :laugh:
not sure how much oil i have in my intercooler yet, but there is so much that i don't even know how any air got through it!
I haven't come up on any threads over there by your brother I remember well his problems. I have wondered if some of his problems are related to too much compression. I would be interested to see what compression your car would do before removing the head and compare that to his. The cams and cam timing would effect it but I would still be interested to see the numbers. I am pretty sure I remember he has adjustable cam gears. How much did he have to advance the cams to get them on. Decking the head will retard cam timing a thicker head gasket or shim may be what he needs. His 3.50 final drive would be a bigger issue if he drops compression because it would be a bigger dog before boost.
I have been thinking of doing the alcohol injection on mine instead of the bigger IC because here in Florida we get 90 plus degree weather from april until october and the car just doesn't like the heat. This year is messed up to. Its december and we should be seeing cooler temps but its still hitting mid 80's. When we do get cooler days the car loves it. Looking at the price of the kits it looks like you can put one in for less then the big FMIC (less work to small tubing is easier to run then 2.5 inch pipes) and from reading Larrys posts would give me more cooling. He was data logging intake temps cooler then outside air temp with alcohol and he was in Tampa. (I just turned on The A/C in the house because it was getting hot. Its winter where is my cooler weather) Hows this sound? When Jimmy gets his TGP back from the body shop he wants to move on making it run better. I want to do some checking on what things are doing first add an aftermarket boost gauge and have him drive around with my scanner hooked up. I think with the T25 I'm going to find with all the heat down here its maxed on a hot day. Go with a T3 and a wideband O2 then raise boost and cool it with alcohol. If we get it to 15 psi and want to go higher we can do it old school TD style (no 3 bar support here) and use alcohol to fuel it. He already has the 5 speed.
Tim
neither of us really post on td.com anymore, mostly just turbo-mopar.com now.
we'll definately have to do a compression check and compare the two R/Ts. yeah he has the adjustable cam gears. he initially set it where Wallace reccomended but we have since messed with various settings and to be honest it doesn't really have too much affect on the problem. right now he is using a Mopar head gasket but is planning on a Cometic. i know Walace resurfaced the head but who knows; it may have already been resurfaced once or twice before Jeremy ever got it. i am trying to convince him he should get a 3-bar cal. right now he just uses and adjustable zener diode, AFPR and +20 injectors on all of his cars and scanning is done with an OTC 4000E.
i have raced my brother's R/T with my old Cutlass (30mph roll-on). with the R/T at 10psi, i would put 1-1.5 car lengths on him right away but then he would be passing me around 80mph and have 1-1.5 car lengths on me at 100mph. for comparisons sake, when i raced his Shelby Lancer (grainger valved @ 12psi, full 3" mandrel bent exhaust + 3" swingvalve) it would be neck and neck.
i wish i lived in Florida right now! my house is FREEZING :icon_evil: trying to get used to having the heat set low to save on the gas bill.
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looks a little better now! my brother and i found the bumper cover and grille for $35 at a local salvage yard. it still needs to be adjusted as it is hanging a bit too low right now. the lower lip piece is a little tweaked so i'll probably use the old one instead. the fog light brackets were also a little different between the two bumpers so i still need to swap the old ones in.
i pulled the intake manifold/fuel rail/injectors/TB etc and the intake ports and valve stems are all very clean inside:
(http://www.turbosedan.com/spiritrt/DSC03646.JPG)
i've decided to leave the cylinder head on as i just can't really find any reason to remove it. for some reason i found an extra knock sensor. the original KS in the head wasn't being used; someone threaded another one into the block and was using that. my guess is someone didn't connect the KS before installing the intake manifold, and then couldn't reach it (it is practically impossible to get to with the intake in place).
wow haven't been here in a long time. well i should have the car running this week. COLD ass weather + unheated/no electricity in my garage put a big damper on things.
i did decide to pull the head and i'm glad i did! the bolts felt like they were way too loose like 60ft/lbs. found that coolant was seeping into the #1 and #4 cylinders and the head bolts were just covered in oil. i think whoever did the head gasket last time didn't do the final 90* turn on the bolts or something. anyway the good news is i found that this engine has a set of .020 forged Venolia pistons :icon_biggrin: the Lotus cylinder head seems to be in damn near perfect condition. i pulled the cams and they look brand new. kinda makes me wonder if they were reground recently. cam bores are nice and smooth. hell yeah. i just ordered the rest of the stuff i need from fwdperformance.com today. already cleaned the hell out of everything so it's all ready to be put back together. after an afternoon of wrenching it should be running again. besides the Venolia pistons and test pipe it's going to be pretty much stock.
btw, my brother bought a white Spirit R/T off ebay last January, so now we have a set of red, white and blue '91 Spirit R/Ts sitting here :icon_mrgreen: we went to Des Moines to get it...boy was that a trip to hell and back.
anyway, i hope to dyno my R/T this spring/early summer and hope to make around 215whp at stock boost level. i'll post some pics up soon and a vid of the startup.
good luck with it. How does your brothers new one look and run?
Tim
the white one has typical bad paint and a little bit of rust at the top of the windshield but otherwise pretty solid. it needs a new turbo but otherwise runs great. we had to get creative and bypass the turbo to drive the car back here. going up hills the car didn't want to go past 65mph sometimes haha.
i posted some pics at turbo-mopar.com of the tops of my pistons and it seems they might be JE forged pistons, either .5mm or 1mm over i'm not sure yet. they are definately aftermarket and have a slightly deeper dish than stock forged TIII pistons. and of course, as you probably know there is no such thing as a cast TIII piston. it was a nice find that's for sure.
IT RUNS!!! screw the cold weather, i've owned this car 7 months now and i've waited long enough!
(http://www.turbosedan.com/spiritrt/DSC03818.JPG)
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and of course, a short vid of the initial start-up:
http://www.turbosedan.com/spiritrt/MOV03822.MPG
runs great, sounds great, oil pressure shows 3/4 up on the gauge :thumb: voltmeter looks great. WOOOOOT!!!!!!!!
i'll be installing the airbox and intercooler hoses tomarrow when it's a little warmer. unfortunately i can't drive it because there is a mountain of snow in front of the garage. it goes into 1st and reverse fine though. and yes, it has an open downpipe so it's a bit loud right now :)
Nice! :icon_mrgreen: And damn, you guys still have snow? It's been hitting 80*F here. I kinda hope it cools off again here, I'd like to have some good weather to run the red TGP in once I get everything straightened out on it...
we've had a pretty nice winter so far but yesterday we got dumped on. definately the most snow we've gotten all winter yet. i can hardly even see my Regal it just looks like one big white lump. tomarrow i gotta shovel all of the snow out of the way so i can pull the R/T out of the garage, then i'm heading up to Gillette with an open downpipe :) i'll have a test pipe welded in while i'm up there. 500 miles round trip!
thankfully it will be in the 40s by Sunday, and the high on Tuesday is 60 so all this white stuff won't last long.
btw, i will be posting some pictures on Sunday night. and i don't mean the R/T :icon_wink: stay tuned....
drove the car for the first time just a few minutes ago around the block. it's running minimum boost (short vacuum line between the wastegate can and nipple on compressor outlet). it runs like a bat out of hell! i'm guessing minimum boost is around 7psi.....i can't even imagine what 15psi is going to be like! it shifts PERFECT, clutch feels soooo nice :icon_biggrin: my Regal GS is faster, but my R/T as it is right now would give it a damn good run for it's money. at the stock 11psi i'm guessing my Regal GS wouldn't have a chance.
time to go get this thing registered, put some plates on it and add it to my insurance policy.
sounds good now go give iturbo a good run.
Tim
Jerm's car is an entirely different beast. with the stage-I LWP cams and 3.50 FDR, you really have to bring the revs up high to get out of the hole quick (and boy it does, and thanks to the 3.50 FDR it has NO traction problems).
my car on the other hand is much more responsive. it revs alot quicker....not sure if that's because of the difference in cams or what. he also has mods over mine - ported exhaust manifold, complete 3" mandrel bent exhaust w/no cat/Ultraflo muffler, +20 injectors, Accufab AFPR, no balance shafts, K&N filter, titanium valve spring retainers and FWDP lifters blah blah blah. i think he's only running 10psi right now because any higher and the OTC scanner shows KR. high octane gas makes the KR go away, so i'm not sure what the issue is there. his car is definately faster than mine, BUT if i were to put in some +20 injectors, Walbro 255 fuel pump, AFPR and raise the boost to 15psi i'd probably take him.
anyway
i've VERY VERY happy with how this project has turned out even with minimum boost it has no problems smoking the tires from a 10mph roll on. and that's not by slipping the clutch out - i'm talking just stabbing the throttle while going 10mph. and unlike my old T2 GTS, this thing just keeps pulling harder and harder as the RPM goes up.
i drove the car up to Gillette last night (250 miles) and it runs perfect! trip computer showed 28.5mpg/average when i got into town. i drove up with an open downpipe which got to be very annoying lol. the engine sounds so nice and smooth, suspension and brakes feel great! the only issue is that all of my power steering flluid leaked out. i know the previous owner glued the return line nipple back onto the reservoir so i'm not sure if it's leaking from there or the return line itself. i don't think it's the high pressure line because i didn't see a big mess of PS fluid sprayed everywhere. i also checked the motor oil this morning and it didn't burn any at all and the oil still looks clean/brand new.
some of the guys on the RMCGP are hoping to schedule a dyno day at Kenny's shop. i'm really hoping to reach 200-215whp with a MBC set at the stock 11psi.
well here is an underhood pic now that i've gotten everything done and reinstalled the intercooler hoses and airbox. it will look alot better once i get the valve covers, intake manifold, and valley cover powdercoated red (the factory color). it doesn't even have a valley cover right now (the piece that covers the spark plugs between the valve covers). and i haven't even powerwashed the engine bay yet.
sorry the pic is kinda big....
http://www.turbosedan.com/spiritrt/IMG_0578.JPG
well i guess that sums up this thread. thanks for looking!
Any chance you're looking for a 1987 Shelby Turbo Z? there's one for sale for $850 locally!
Quote from: grinders_18 on April 20, 2008, 06:23:52 PM
Any chance you're looking for a 1987 Shelby Turbo Z? there's one for sale for $850 locally!
Josh picked up another turbo Dodge about a week ago, so I doubt he's looking for another so soon. ;)
http://www.w-body.com/forum/index.php?topic=67577.0
i've put almost 2000 miles on the car now and it runs GREAT!!!!!! oil is still nice and clean and hasn't burnt any. very fun to drive and pretty quick even with minimum boost. i don't have a boost gauge but it just has a short vacuum line from the fitting on the compressor outlet straight to the wastegate can. maybe ~7psi?
i did get one good (albeit short) race with a nice looking early 90s fox body Mustang convertible. it looked well taken care of but i'm pretty sure it had to have been completely stock. it was a definately a 5-speed. the guy was looking all cool with the top down and was edging forward at the red light so i figured he wanted to go. i out launched him and kept his front bumper right at my rearview mirror. he stayed right there until i got to the top of 2nd gear and then i started walking away from him and he gave up haha. he wouldn't even look at me at the next light we got together. of course, when the light turned green he did a big 'ol burnout while i slowly pulled away. why race again when i already proved my point? :icon_mrgreen: i can't wait to get a 3-bar cal, Walbro 255, +40 injectors, adjustable AFPR and turn the boost up 18psi. after that i'm going to need a FMIC and T3/T04E .63 A/R stage-II turbine + 50-trim compressor. first thing though, is complete 3" mandrel bent exhaust. right now it has the stock exhaust system with a test pipe in place of the cat, and no muffler.
and yes, i did buy another old school TD :icon_razz: '87 Shelby CSX - car #667 of 750 made. i'm going to keep this one relatively stock.
still kinda wish i could replace my Regal GS for a Turbo STE. TGPs are way cooler than the newer GTPs or GS IMHO.
Where the heck do you find thise cars? I've been looking for a turbo anything lately as a DD but no luck.
i found the Spirit R/T sitting in the apartment complex parking lot where i live; i didn't even have to go anywhere to get it :icon_cool:
i found the CSX by browsing craigslist.com in the Denver area and searching for "Shelby"
there are always LOTS of cars for sale on turbododge.com and turbo-mopar.com
Found a Dodge rampage turbo the other day in my buddys junkyard in rotterdam NY. Was pretty clean i forgot to ask him if it had a title or not...5 speed, nice interior , nice body. i think its cool cause its kinda like a pickup but its FWD turbo..
Quote from: TurboGTU on May 05, 2008, 08:11:56 AM
Where the heck do you find thise cars? I've been looking for a turbo anything lately as a DD but no luck.
to find a turbo anything you need to go to the dark side dodge mass produced turbos in the 80's. I think there was a turbo option on every body style in one year or another. They even turboed mini vans in 89 and 90.
Tim
I wish they had turboed everything. A turbocharged slant six or 318 or 360 Chysler Fifth Avenue would be the bomb.
Quote from: pontiac6ksteawd on May 11, 2008, 04:14:52 PM
I wish they had turboed everything. A turbocharged slant six or 318 or 360 Chysler Fifth Avenue would be the bomb.
You got me on my wording I should have said fwd. I don't think rwd anymore on mopars from the mid 80's to the late 90's. I have been rwd free since 91 for my daily drivers.
Tim