I went to New England Dragway in NH tonight for street night.  Had a pretty good time there were 2 newer GTP's one stock and one with a 3.4 pulley.  I lined up with the stock one and beat him twice, and lost the 3rd time by .02 seconds.  My best time:

15.146@90.00 with a 2.352 60ft

That run was against a new Acura RSX (waskie  8) ) and he ran a 15.772@92.61.  I was hoping to break the 14.x mark but it didn't happen.  I spun the whole night then on the way home figured how to launch a bit better.  I'm going to try that next time and also take some weight out of the car.  The STE got some attention after the first few runs so that was cool.  Reaction time was 1.083 on my first run.  I got it down to .513 on the last one.

Overall a great time now for some more mods!

Good job, nail the launch and you should be able to do a 14.8-14.9.  How was the weather when you ran?  I looked up the New England Dragway and it's only 90ft above sea level..sounds like a nice track to run at.  Did you see what kinda 60' times the stock GTP was getting?  Also, what did the pullied one run?(and did he have any other mods besides a 3.4'' pulley...if not, it's pointless to run the smaller pulley on MOST gtps).

EDIT: Do you want your time added the the TGP/TSTE 1/4 mile list?

Not bad...the first time I ever raced a TGP at the track I didn't do much better than that...I ran our TGP coupe and went 15.04 @ 91 IIRC.  Although once I figured out how to drive the car (haven't yet completely figured out how...but got a very good idea by the 2nd time i took the TGP coupe to the track) I was getting some better times...that is one of the many things that allowed me to go 14.9 with the stock chip.  Its all in how you drive it.  

I also found that if you hold it in 2nd to about 6000-6100rpms you gain 1-2 tenths...it puts the car closer to the powerband in 3rd when it shifts.  I saw a 2 tenth a 1.5mph gain when I tried it.

What was the weather like?  Temp, Humidity?

If you get that 60' down to a 2.1 or 2.2 it will be 14.8-14.9's easy.  When was the last time you put new plugs in it?  I try to put in new plugs within 1000 miles or so of going to the track...and that has given me some good results as you can see from my sig.  I would definately change them if they have more than 10k on them.  

Quote from: mfewtrailAlso, what did the pullied one run?(and did he have any other mods besides a 3.4'' pulley...if not, it's pointless to run the smaller pulley on MOST gtps).

Pullied GTP's with a decent driver should be able to pull off 14.2-14.6's.  Stock ones between 14.8 & mid 15's normally...a few of them have been known to go lower 14's but thats with experienced drivers and very good conditions.  However a 3.4 pulley is FAR from pointless on a stock GTP.  With an otherwise completely stock GTP a 3.4 pulley will give you 15-20 extra horsepower which is a huge amount.  With some other mods (like u-bend replacement, plugs, t-stat, intake) then you will get rid of the KR and free up another 10hp or so.  But a 3.4 pulley on a stock GTP does wonders.  However...if I had a completely stock GTP I would install a 3.5" pulley.

Shawn

It was 85 degrees and I'm not sure about the humidity.  I was sweating the whole day.  NED isn't too bad but everyone says their track prep isn't good.  I was brake torquing it, I think next time I'm not going to.  I just kept spinning, the 2.3 60ft time above was my best for the day.  I'm going to try holding 2nd gear next time, thanks for the hint.  I just had it in D and didn't do any manual shifting.

The pullied GTP ran a consistent 14.6 every run.  The stock one had a best of 15.2, we were close every time we raced.  There was also a stock Regal GS that ran a best of 15.1.

And if you want to add me to the list, that would be cool.  I can scan the timeslip for you.  Hopefully soon I can give you a better one.

One thing that was weird is that my car seemed so much faster on the way home than on the track.  Maybe because the temp went down to about 60.  It just seemed to spool up so much quicker.  Maybe I had carbon buildup or something?

Added your time and one more to the TGP section as well. http://www.members.aol.com/mv540paq/myhomepage/tgp.html

Well, 60* vs 85* is a pretty substantial difference.  Even in every day driving, I can feel a HUGE difference when the weather cools off.  

I take it you're completely stock at the moment?  Man, if we had another 15 seconds and under car stock, that would be insane considering these things ran 15.3 as a quoted best brand new, let alone after many, many miles!

QuoteIt was 85 degrees and I'm not sure about the humidity. I was sweating the whole day. NED isn't too bad but everyone says their track prep isn't good. I was brake torquing it, I think next time I'm not going to. I just kept spinning, the 2.3 60ft time above was my best for the day. I'm going to try holding 2nd gear next time, thanks for the hint. I just had it in D and didn't do any manual shifting.

The pullied GTP ran a consistent 14.6 every run. The stock one had a best of 15.2, we were close every time we raced. There was also a stock Regal GS that ran a best of 15.1.

And if you want to add me to the list, that would be cool. I can scan the timeslip for you. Hopefully soon I can give you a better one.

One thing that was weird is that my car seemed so much faster on the way home than on the track. Maybe because the temp went down to about 60. It just seemed to spool up so much quicker. Maybe I had carbon buildup or something?

85 degrees is very warm.  The temps dropping down to 60 would give you another tenth.  As for your 60' problem, definately try not brake torqing it...with the boost ramp rate of the topgun chip it doesn't hurt as much as it does with the stock chip to not brake torque it.  When I had the stock chip I brake torqued to 3k and couldn't break them loose (at the track, it would break 'em loose easy on the street), last time I went to the track I was having huge problems with them spinning and I was only brake torqing to 1800...they were still spinning bad and the best 60' I could get all day was a 2.228, which for some is good, but for me is pretty horrible.  I think taking off from idle might be a little too low of rpms though...I would try just slightly brake torqing to like 1200 or so, then ease into the gas.  Also, I don't know if you did this or not, but drop the front tire pressure down to like 26psi.  If you're still having traction problems go down to 23psi, but don't go much lower than that.  Also, if you raise the rears to 40psi it will give you less weight transfer to the rear (meaning more grip for the front tires) and it will have less rolling resistance.  I always start out at the track at the beginning of the day with my driver front at 23psi and passenger front at 22 (because I know this is about optimal for me and my weight) and rears at 40.  I put the right tire a lb. lower in pressure due to there being less weight on that side of the car because of the driver, although depending on what you weigh you may want to go with more of a difference, I only weigh 118lbs. so the difference doesn't need to be much.  Tire pressure makes a huge difference in 60' times.

I have noticed that my car always seems faster on the way home then it did at the track, I think it has something to do with the public road being more rough and it just being a different environment.  However, if the temps dropped down 25 degrees, that was definately part of it.  In these cars 10* makes a HUGE difference.    

Quote from: 6000STE/AWDI take it you're completely stock at the moment?  Man, if we had another 15 seconds and under car stock, that would be insane considering these things ran 15.3 as a quoted best brand new, let alone after many, many miles!

He isn't completely stock.  He has at least a Topgun chip and t-stat.  I think he has a couple other things too.

I went 14.968 @ 91.79 in my TSTE with the stock chip.  I had a K&N filter and removed cat (and magnaflow mufflers but I don't think that made a power difference), but otherwise stock.  It was capable of 14.8's like that IMO, I just didn't know completely how to drive it at that time.  That was the first time I ever brought that car to the track.

Shawn

I'm going to work on the launch.  Hopefully next time I'll do better.  Another thing is my struts are bad, the rears are dead.  Does this matter much?  I don't know if changing them might help the 60ft?

Quote from: no1kickerI'm going to work on the launch.  Hopefully next time I'll do better.  Another thing is my struts are bad, the rears are dead.  Does this matter much?  I don't know if changing them might help the 60ft?

Changing the rears might help a tad because they're going to bring the rear end of the car back up a little and keep some weight from transferring to the rear of the car.

The toughest thing but THE best thing to do is get out of the mindset that foot to the floor is how you go fast, it is a hard thing to relearn I know 8) , and the pressure of racing at a track with an audience (and all) makes it really hard to take your foot off the gas after launching, so??practice on some back road, brake torque very little, punch it and notice the feel of how much power/forward momentum you get before the tires break loose, next time soon as the tires start to do their break loose (you can hear them too), lift up on the throttle to about (every car/tires etc is different, find your own!) 2/3 to ? (at 2/3 to ? you are still accelerating very well, specially since you have traction), then almost immediately punch the foot all the way down, there really is only a small sweet (well not so sweet) spot just after launch that is the danger zone for wheel spin.  Now those of you who have one wheel burn outs at the track, that came from the car (you or any previous owner!) doing one wheel burns around the corners, BAAAAD thing to do (and our car is too cool to hammer it mean like that!), SOOOO add a drag slick to just that side?..or wipe that street tire clean with VHT or even brake fluid (yea, sounds odd but it cleans the shit out of your tire, makes them sticky as hell and does not leave any slippery residue i.e. track guys have nothing to bitch about), and/or make that spinning tire run a 18 to 22 psi and the one that does not spin, 26-30, play with these numbers, they are not exact but you guys get the idea :) .  And, with me being an older TGP owners, having driven these since they first came out, I hardly ever see wheel spin anymore, its now a habit for me to nail the throttle, back out at the right time, nail again and it?s a done deal till the times flash  victory :twisted: !

Jeff M

Or you can buy a set of Nitto 555R Drag radials, lower it to 26 psi, and heat it up.  Then you can put in a new tranny.   :D

Quote from: god910Or you can buy a set of Nitto 555R Drag radials, lower it to 26 psi, and heat it up.  Then you can put in a new tranny.   :D

I'm trying to figure out a way to put my dads M/T ET Streets on mine at the track.  He pulls 1.7 60's in his GTP with those...however they are mounted on stock 97+ GP wheels, which I'm pretty sure won't fit on my car with lots of work.  They would stick really well though.

Shawn

Quote from: dbtk2

Quote from: god910Or you can buy a set of Nitto 555R Drag radials, lower it to 26 psi, and heat it up.  Then you can put in a new tranny.   :D

I'm trying to figure out a way to put my dads M/T ET Streets on mine at the track.  He pulls 1.7 60's in his GTP with those...however they are mounted on stock 97+ GP wheels, which I'm pretty sure won't fit on my car with lots of work.  They would stick really well though.

Shawn

Yeah, you do that.  Lemme know how it works out for ya.  :lol:  :x

Quote from: god910Yeah, you do that.  Lemme know how it works out for ya.  :lol:  :x

Actually, I am seriously considering investing in a pair of slicks.  If I can find a couple more of the stock 5 spoke wheels I might just buy them and some ET Streets and give it hell...see if I can snap some input/output shafts.  Because honestly, if I can pull a 1.8 60' that will give me an easy 4 tenths...besides the fact that when you gain a tenth in the 60' its almost like 2 tenths at the end, so the difference would be significant.  I feel that with a set of slicks, my car can be easily and consistantly in the 13's, but thats a ~$400 investment, and that will pay for a large amount of a bigger turbocharger that will allow me to go faster than that on street tires, so it probably won't happen until I get a bigger turbo...if I keep the car that long.

Shawn

Or you will launch like never before and break a differential.  Shattering the spider gear into MANY chunks.  And blow a whole in the side of your tranny the size of a mans head.