Can you spin your tires?

Started by Tooky, August 02, 2002, 07:54:36 PM

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god910

Quote from: SpeedDemonMy tires will light up if the wheels are turned. I tried it one day at a four way stop and after I straitened the wheel out the tires were still spinning (for about another 5 feet). And thats with just flooring it from a stop. The only mod I have is a K&N air filter and thats with 225/60 16 tires :( (working on replacing the bent rack and pinion before I buy new tires).

VERY bad idea.  The reason it will do that is because A) As you turn you are lifting all the weight from one side, and placing it on the other, and B) as by design, the tranny will plant all power to the side w/ the short radius (IOW, all power goes to the wheel w/ no weight on it)  

1)  Bye, bye spider gears
2)  Bye, bye C/V joint.  They LOVE it (sense the sarcasim  :D ) when you peel out at full lock.

Not bashing you, just don't want you to have any tranny problems or broken axles.  These cars are only fun if you can drive them (trust me.  :oops: )
1990 Turbo Grand Prix Black Sunshine
282 5 speed, Custom Chip, 1G DSM BOV, K&N on turbo, Centerforce Clutch, Accel 8.8 Wires, no kat, straight exhaust, TB bypass (200HP), Jeff-M cro$$over ;)
Jay Warfel
Muncie, IN
2nd TGP "TestBed" 90, Black JeffM TG160 & X-over, ractive filter, 15.21 @ 90 mph
2003 Sonic Yellow Subaru Impreza WRX  Turbo XS Stage 3
Perrin GT35R, 2.5 STi Block, JDM 6 speed swap underway.
Goal: 450 AWHP, mid 11's.

SpeedDemon

Quote from: god910
Quote from: SpeedDemonMy tires will light up if the wheels are turned. I tried it one day at a four way stop and after I straitened the wheel out the tires were still spinning (for about another 5 feet). And thats with just flooring it from a stop. The only mod I have is a K&N air filter and thats with 225/60 16 tires :( (working on replacing the bent rack and pinion before I buy new tires).

VERY bad idea.  The reason it will do that is because A) As you turn you are lifting all the weight from one side, and placing it on the other, and B) as by design, the tranny will plant all power to the side w/ the short radius (IOW, all power goes to the wheel w/ no weight on it)  

1)  Bye, bye spider gears
2)  Bye, bye C/V joint.  They LOVE it (sense the sarcasim  :D ) when you peel out at full lock.

Not bashing you, just don't want you to have any tranny problems or broken axles.  These cars are only fun if you can drive them (trust me.  :oops: )

I only did it once just to see if the car could do it. Ever since I've just been trying to get it running right. But back on topic, from a strait line the car won't burn out.  :x
1990 TGP: stock minus the K&N air filter and high flow cat
1999 Oldsmobile Aurora: What a step up from my 95 Monte Carlo
1967 Plymouth Belvedere II: 318 c.i., Flowmaster Exhaust, and in deserate need of new rear tires.

dbtk2

Quote from: SpeedDemonI only did it once just to see if the car could do it. Ever since I've just been trying to get it running right. But back on topic, from a strait line the car won't burn out.  :x

Do you want the car to be able to burn out?  If so, I can help you do that for about 5 minutes of your time and about $.05.  Its not good for the tranny or the tires, but it will really wake up your TGP...

Shawn
90 Maroon GP STE 3.1 I/C Turbo - SOLD!  :(
14.695 @ 94.49 w/2.228 60'
99 Green GP GT
9.75:1|K&N|160 tstat|no cat/ubend/res|ALT UD|Shift Kit|XPZ cam|Ported M90/TB/LIM/Heads|Powertuned|Pacesetters|42lb/hr|Stg 2 I/C|MPS|2.45"|ELEC WP|Zex 75/100/125|Walbro|ZZP IS|15/16"|AR103|Rollmaster|8 rib|MLS .052|ARP Head Studs|Billet FP|Alum Cradle
11.9912 @ 112.99 w/1.729 60', 347whp/417wtq on 93 octane/mustang dyno.

Prospeeder

why cant u people spin ur tires, i can spin the tires in my friend old 3.0 Mercury Sable, and its hella Slow, u people should be able to
1990 TGP Chipped RU-1390 K&N
2001 Audi S4 Stage 2
1999 VW Beetle
1997 BMW 740iL

z284pwr

Quote from: Prospeederwhy cant u people spin ur tires, i can spin the tires in my friend old 3.0 Mercury Sable, and its hella Slow, u people should be able to

I think they are talking about, from a stand still, get on it and yeah....

from what I have gathered, it has some to do with the turbo spooling, or lack there of in some people's cases that would be one reason why,  such as mine.

Yes, you can get just about any car to spin the tire, I know our '04 TSX has some difficulty but it will, and with some work, I even got the friend's lifted Excusion to spin the tires. :shock:

I know my TGP doesn't have a prayer in the world of spinning the tires of the line right now, but damn when the turbo spools its a whole different story, keeping the car straight is the problem then :x  :roll:

no1kicker

Could be that some people have really old tires...or real good ones.  With the stock chip the tires would smoke at more than 1/2 throttle from a stop.  Now with the TG you hit the gas and the car moves, then 1 second later the tires roast.


former owner of a 1990 Grand Prix STE Turbo

Prospeeder

well u just Floor is fast from a stand still,. like bring ur foot up and smash it down, ull spin em, the 3.1 w/o boost should be quite capable of doing it, then as the RPMs hit up and turbo spools up its hard gettin traction back
1990 TGP Chipped RU-1390 K&N
2001 Audi S4 Stage 2
1999 VW Beetle
1997 BMW 740iL

z284pwr

QuoteCould be that some people have really old tires...or real good ones. With the stock chip the tires would smoke at more than 1/2 throttle from a stop. Now with the TG you hit the gas and the car moves, then 1 second later the tires roast
My tires aren't that old, they are about 1 year old, but still with some peoples situations, I don't think that matters, such as mine, it usually takes until about 3000 before the car really wakes up, and even a little power brake its still right around 2800 or so before it starts going anywhere

Quote from: Prospeederwell u just Floor is fast from a stand still,. like bring ur foot up and smash it down, ull spin em, the 3.1 w/o boost should be quite capable of doing it, then as the RPMs hit up and turbo spools up its hard gettin traction back

Yes this I have found out ....our '88 Beretta GT 3.1/5spd and Haltech....and damn, all of 1st and 2nd gear can end up in tire spin if your not careful, and thats with good 17" tires, now with the 15" winter tires...oh it would be ugly I'm sure

Prospeeder

they must not be pushing the gas fast enough,lol
1990 TGP Chipped RU-1390 K&N
2001 Audi S4 Stage 2
1999 VW Beetle
1997 BMW 740iL

z284pwr

Quote from: Prospeederthey must not be pushing the gas fast enough,lol

Your free to come on over any time to see if you can get my TGP to "roast" the tires by just getting on it.....try all day, and until you unbolt the exhaust, its not going to happen.....

idbeast

My Black 90 TGP spins the tires at anything under 25mph and on wet pavement I've broke them loose at 65mph!!! :shock:  :drinking:
Jim W     AKA  Idbeast
04 Supercharged Nissan Frontier Crew Cab 4X4 in sandstone (Light Gold)!!!
Red 89 TGP (14.95 1/4 mile) Not any more...... coming with surprises in the very near future, Black 90 TGP (14.41 1/4 mile), White 90 Turbo STE (15.06 1/4 mile), and now my 2nd White 90 Turbo STE 89 Dodge Shadow ES Turbo

Prospeeder

lol, i dont see why they wont, mine completely stock, it does it just fine, i doubt mileage is a problem either, if so, mine has 70k miles on it
1990 TGP Chipped RU-1390 K&N
2001 Audi S4 Stage 2
1999 VW Beetle
1997 BMW 740iL

z284pwr

Quote from: Prospeederlol, i dont see why they wont, mine completely stock, it does it just fine, i doubt mileage is a problem either, if so, mine has 70k miles on it

I don't see how that could be a problem either considering the stock? engine had 140,000? miles on it, and the new engine has <15,000 miles....

For my problem, I'm pretty sure it has something to do with a restricted exhaust preventing the turbo from spooling when it should thus causing the problem.....considering the turbo has been rebuilt recently, and has brand new Jeff M Crossover, so i'm sure there is no exhaust leaks, so restricted exhaust is all I can come up with.  I don't know how easy it would be to unbolt the exhaust from the downpipe however to check this theory, and the engine isn't exactly the quietest engine without an exhaust either, even with a turbo....

Prospeeder

why is ur exhaust restrictive? isnt ur car stock? and i dont have the new cross over, and mines just fine, thats strange
1990 TGP Chipped RU-1390 K&N
2001 Audi S4 Stage 2
1999 VW Beetle
1997 BMW 740iL

dbtk2

Quote from: Prospeederwhy is ur exhaust restrictive? isnt ur car stock? and i dont have the new cross over, and mines just fine, thats strange

Because catalytic converters are stupidly restrictive.  The cat got plugged up in my dads TGP so we had a high flow cat installed and the car ran well.  Ran a best of 15.06 I think.  A week later, we decided that it seemed like the cat was still a restriction, so we put straight pipe in instead.  We ran it again and it went 14.819.  So, even a brand new cat is quite a restriction.  If you take the stock cat from a TGP, and replace it with straight pipe, you will be amazed at the difference.

Shawn
90 Maroon GP STE 3.1 I/C Turbo - SOLD!  :(
14.695 @ 94.49 w/2.228 60'
99 Green GP GT
9.75:1|K&N|160 tstat|no cat/ubend/res|ALT UD|Shift Kit|XPZ cam|Ported M90/TB/LIM/Heads|Powertuned|Pacesetters|42lb/hr|Stg 2 I/C|MPS|2.45"|ELEC WP|Zex 75/100/125|Walbro|ZZP IS|15/16"|AR103|Rollmaster|8 rib|MLS .052|ARP Head Studs|Billet FP|Alum Cradle
11.9912 @ 112.99 w/1.729 60', 347whp/417wtq on 93 octane/mustang dyno.