Ummmmm....there is not a CAM sensor on the car. There is the Crank Position Sensor...but I would tell them to point out the CAM sensor to me. They may be mixing up the name of the part when they are saying what it is.

LMAO! Seriously? While I had the car on the lift the other day to look at where the motor mount was at (I wanted a visual don't ask)...he pointed out it was probably right behind a bunch of wires coming from the wire harness that ran past the bottom of the serpentine belt. Holy shit am I never going back there lol.

Well, kind of an update: I just got back from my buddy's shop...not a GM stealership, just better and more trustworthy. Well, we were changing the mount, which let me tell you was not too bad, but definately not that easy...and when we set the car back down, we found out that one of the guys that was working earlier (BIG ROUND FAT GUY), was doing something on the topend of the car, think he was the one changing the coolant....welp, somehow he ended up pressing the cooling fan against the radiator and...yeah....you prolly guessed it....not only did I get a new mount, but also a new radiator lmao! I shouldn't be happy, especially since I'm driving a sable GS as the loaner car till tomorrow when I get her back...but hey, 24 valve DOHC...quick little thing :icon_biggrin:

The car, when I took her out after the mount was installed, but before we found the outpour of coolant, ran 80% better, but there's still a kick in the tranny. The car right now runs bad. Think I'm going to update everything: plugs, wires, coils (yes I know everyone suggested this before)...I had put in those Bosch quadruple platinum shit plugs, yeah they're gone. The wires were (at one point...God knows when) performance, but they are old and starting to show their age severly...and Ryan suggested doing the coils at the same point. He wasn't too familiar with the car so he couldn't tell me where this CAM sensor is lol. Quick question: How do you reset the timing on these cars? That's when the dealer worker guy told me they don't adjust the timing like they used to cuz this car has the CAM sensor, and it resets it automatically when you put the new sensor in. Everyone around here told me they're crooked people there, but I hadn't experienced it till now. The car, as I stated, runs bad. It doesn't keep an idle, it chugs, and for some wierd reason I'm getting 40+MPG...and I'm not going by that damn computer. Just curious what causes a bad idle and running bad. Is this caused wholely by the plugs, wires, and coils? I'm thinking about getting the injectors cleaned out too, but I'm not going to if it's not necessary...spendy bill already lol.

Anything else to watch for? Thanks for being patient and helping me out here everyone. Seriously!

The timing is hard set in the chip. There is no resetting of the timing. You can reset the Idle by pulling the ECM fuse and doing a relearn...but if I was you I would stay as far away from that shop as possible! WOW! :icon_eek:

Also make sure they buy you a BRAND NEW Blackstone radiator. It is specific to the Turbo Grand Prix and the last I saw they were around $1200 for a new one. DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO PUT A REPLACEMENT RADIATOR IN YOUR CAR!! Your motor will for certian shit the bed!

A replacement that ISN'T a blackstone...what will happen to my car? Please explain before I pick it up today :icon_eek:

All I know for sure is that they ordered a new radiator from Advance Auto for my Turbo 3.1 and it was coming in today. Will there be a problem if it isn't a Blackstone?? Won't a replacement for my turbo 3.1 be identical? I mean, one would assume so since thy looked up the turbo 3.1 89 grand prix. Please let me know if I should be in deep shit.

The radiator for the Turbo Grand Prix is a special item specific to the turbo cars. It is narrower and thicker than the non-turbo radiator. Reason being is the intercooler sits next to the radiator so it has to be narrower. Then you have to thicken the radiator for the fact that it is narrower then you have less cooling area. Also it is thicker because the turbo engine will put out more heat under load than a normally aspirated car.

If you look on Advanced or any other parts store webpage they have the exact same radiator part number 432230, CU658, or 9207 for Advanced Auto between the McLaren and SE model Grand Prix.

Correct me if I am wrong anyone because I have not personally tried to swap these radiators... :icon_cool:

All right thanks alot Kenny! I just called them and they had installed it. I asked if they made sure it was the turbo 3.1 specific and they said yeah. Let you know more later!

Does anyone have a part number on the Blackstone radiator? Or any other comparable radiators...the bad is getting worse and I NEED a part number cause everyone they are calling tells them they don't exist...oh btw, the one the put in (sure they meant were putting in), wasn't right lol go figure!

all the info i have on it is here

Manufacture, Blackstone out of Canada, sub-contracted to ASC for the TGP setup.
ASC part number: V29X858230XXX
Blackstone part number 1002609
Other Blackstone (?) number 90031601
Core dimensions:
21 1/4 ? width
15 1/4" height
2 1/4" thickness
37 rows
9 fins per inch
3 core (NA GP has single core)

Thanks a Million, Dave!...deeply appreciated!

Hope you are able to get one or work something out.....

I had mine re-cored with a 4 core which was 3/4 of an inch thicker by a local rad shop here in town.

Took some convincing to make them understand why i needed a rad of that scale and capacity but when i brought it in they saw why.

The shop owner said the turbocharged FORD T-Birds of the late to early 90's i believe had a similar rad and owners a similar problem getting replacements.

anyway keep us posted 

Well, I took Dave's info to the shop, and they called up a stealership and ordered one...it's sposed to be here in 6 days I think he said. The price was like $300-ish. Not bad considering when they took the old one out, there was definate radiator rot. Not sure what it actually was, but it was pretty much gonna be trash within the next few months. So thanks to whoever pressed the fan into the radiator lol. Saved me ALOT of time and trouble. But like I said, within a week it should be here. Thanks you guys for the great info; it really helped me out! I'll keep you posted more when I get more!

300ish? That isnt the right rad either. Thats going to be a standard rad. The stealerships around me cant even order it anymore. I would take your old rad and get it recored. Will cost about 150-400. Depending on the shop.

No that is the replacement with the part number off the one that we pulled out...so it's a direct replacement.

I am not trying to be an ass when I say this. But i did the same thing, and I, or well the dealership, ended up with a standard rad for a 3.1. Afterall, I am not going to take delivery of a part that isnt the right one.

True. I hope that the right one comes...like I said we gave them the number off the old one, and they looked it up and said it would be coming in less than a week.