Next summer I'm looking to run 13's in the 1/4 mile.  I ran a best of a 14.6 @ 95 with my only performance mods being a TopGun 160 chip, K&N, and a wrapped intercooler to throttle body pipe.  Right now, I'm doing a getrag 284 swap and I'm hoping that I can lose 2/10s from the tranny being more efficient(manual vs. auto) and better gearing(3.67 vs 3.33 & more gears).  I'm also contemplating a full exhaust(2.5" at least), if not at the least remove the cat and get dynomax bullet mufflers.  I'm also thinking of making a homemade CO2 sprayer using some copper tubing and a nitrous solenoid as well as doing the A/C fin removal.  I'm also thinking about a 3X00 topend swap as a possible fallback if I can't get there.  Anyways, is there any other simple mods/tweaks I can do that might get me there??  :)

my best time was 14.6 with only   cat removed, topgun160 and k&n cone on turbo  



this year i have all that plus a  custom high lift cam all new rings gaskets and the vacuum accumulators in my tranny shimmed to 1/2 an inch plus a new xover and soon ill have athe 62 mm tb and my upper intake hose wrapped and i already took out my ac fins   man did that make a dif! anyway we are thinkin that i should be around 13.8 or so.................

Yeah, I'm thinking that I can get close with just the 5 speed, CO2 sprayer, A/C fin removal, and exhaust.  If I don't make it then I'm doing a 3100 topend swap along with a cam.  I shouldn't make it then as long as I have I it tuned decent. 8)

Where's newport at in PA??  Maybe we can meet up at Maple Grove or someplace and both run 13s. :D

dude i would love to meet up and run 13's together!  can you imagine the looks we would get? newport is up 322 from harrisburg about 45 minutes beaver springs is the closet drag strip to my house where is lehigh valley ? down by maple grove i take it? cause i have been there and could come down to drag with ya next year( have not been there to race...i went to watch NHRA like 3yrs ago) if we decide to do that my friend will prob bring his tricked out euro 3.4 lumina or maybe his 95 GTP ( that is a nice car!!) he has a page on cardomain....actually both his cars are on there   but that remains to be decided first off let me know where you are at excatly and we can go from there............ :twisted:



here are kevins cars.........GTP....ok i lied this car is on starfire....http://photo.starblvd.net/REDLINE95/1-1-4-1048096773?m=0&pg=0&ro=0&co=3

                       lumina..............http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/255075/1




check out his race page on the lumina site........ :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I'm actually from Nazareth, which is in the Lehigh Valley.  I've never actually been to Maple Grove. I usually go to Island Dragway in NJ to race.

i know where nazareth is ............ been there on work , not a bad drive might even be willin to come down just to visit ya and your car .....inthe spring of course

another thing that will cut quarter times is the ffp underdrive pulley and the ffp solid mount dogbones.  Port and polished heads with bigger valves lift cam with bigger diration.  I'm doing a complete motor build up with a new turbo and all that I plan on running high 12's with the automatic trans!! :twisted:  :roll:

Quote from: ShuGTXTurboanother thing that will cut quarter times is the ffp underdrive pulley and the ffp solid mount dogbones.  Port and polished heads with bigger valves lift cam with bigger diration.  I'm doing a complete motor build up with a new turbo and all that I plan on running high 12's with the automatic trans!! :twisted:  :roll:

what turbocharger are you planning on running?

Quote from: m6ambai know where nazareth is ............ been there on work , not a bad drive might even be willin to come down just to visit ya and your car .....inthe spring of course

That's good anyways as I don't have either of my TGPs on the road right now.  :oops: :D

shugtxturbo............i am puttin in the high lift cam....  .394 instead of the factory .250 i believe it is  we are not messin with the duration because of the turbo we dont want to make it detonate im also gettin the pulley and dogbones in the spring ...before racing season starts  my turbo is due in in about 2-3 days.....JUST IN TIME FOR CHRISTMAS!!!!!! as soon as that comes in my TGP will be back on the rd for the first time in 5 months! main reason for it was that i spun a bearin on cylinder number 4 so while we had it apart we decided to do a rebuild....cam crank rings  stuff like that  and at the same time im swappin in the T28 turbo ( not a ball bearing though :? ) but with all my mods and the auto we are sayin it should def. be in the high to mid 13's and after my 62mm TB maybe even lower


not bad  for a car that i got for 1650$ and have so far put that much in parts and labor  bringin my grand total to around 3400$



13 seconds for 3400$...........my friend has over 5 grand in his lumina 3.4 and might hit HIGH 14's on a good day :twisted:

I'm not sure exactly how much faster you'd go with a manual. It does soak up less power but it can't build boost at the line. Plus you loose boost inbetween shifts and you have to wait for it to spool again. A blow off valve can help this but its not a complete cure. An automatic also never misses a shift. If you where building an autocross car a manual would be a good chocie but on the drag strip you cant beat an auto.

Yeah, I know that I'll never be able to build boost on the line like I would with the auto.  And I already have a BOV on the car so that should help some.  On average getrag 284 equipped 3.4 DOHCs are usually at least a 1/2 second faster than an auto, and that's on a stock car!!  Now, I know there are a lot of variables there (engine tune, miles, etc.), but I've been told numerous times how much faster the 5 speeds are autos.  Besides, TGPs don't really have a lag problem if you've ever driven one, and I'm guessing you don't own one from your signature.  Also, if you've ever looked into TGP code or raced a TGP you might not know that there is a "Launch Mode" that pulls out all of the timing if you make too much boost on the line.  I'm only figuring on losing 2/10s in the 1/4 from the swap.  1/10th I figure from less drivetraing loss of having a 5 speed, and the other 1/10th from the different FDR(3.67 vs. 3.33).  I think that figuring on losing 2/10th's sounds like a pretty good estimate to me.  Of course that will be after I relearn to drive the thing.  8)  :D

The 3.4's may go a second faster but thats on an N/A car, not a turbo. It makes a big difference. No I don't own a TGP but I have seen and driven one. Plus I think having a Typhoon and having experience with a lot of Turbo Gm cars gives me a little credit. Oh well thats beside the point. One thing I will agree on though is the fun factor of the car goes way up being that you get to shift your own gears.

Sorry...but the TGP with a 5-speed in it compared to an Auto tranny is a night (without moonlight! :lol: ) and day difference. I would think with a line lock you could easily build boost on the line...just wouldn't have a clutch for long. I never had any issues with boost on my car while racing it. Within a car length the boost would be pegged...with the BOV on the car it would take maybe 1 second to recover and be pegged again.

We have had the descussion on this board a few times about the pros and cons to auto trannies vs. manual. I am a firm believer that if the driver knows how to shift and finds the sweet spots in the torque curve he will shatter an auto car of the same make/model... 8)

i would love to drive a tgp with a 5 speed   ...............anybody in pa or nearby states have one that we can play with for the afternoon?    of course i would bring my t-28 turbo'd modded tgp auto to also play with
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