3 bar for 8f

[flybynite]

I have been lookin into making a 3 bar bin for our TGPs.I have found that it will take alot of time and is going into uncharted territoty for me.I was hopeing some of you guys would be willing to help.I am willing to DONATE my time if you guys are.If we could pull it off we would have a FREE 3 bar bin.I talked on and off line with some guys from thirdgen.They said start here    http:/thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthread.php?s=&threadid=245659&highlight=source+code+for+dummies   If anybody wonts to help...Lets get started :)   Later

[Invasion1]

Hey Adam can you post that link again?

i can't get it to work no how......eve if i cut and paste it.

thanks

Dave

[flybynite]

www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthread.php?s=&threadid=245659&highlight=source+code+for+dummies

[sleeperred90tgp]

Excellent idea Adam. I don't think it will be to long before somebody needs it. ;) Won't be able to contribute as I know nothing about chip tuning. As soon as I learn how to program my house thermostat then maybe I could help out. :)

Jud

[TGPilot]

Count me in of course. ;D

I am jacked for time until the beginning of April, but I can help here and there along the way.

Let me know what you need me to do to get ready for it.

-Kenny 8)

[TurboGTU]

Cool. Yet..I think it should only float around those capable of such boost and power and knowlege. I know some people would love to get thier hands on it from other boards without beeing given credit or profit.

[Jeff M]

Cool. Yet..I think it should only float around those capable of such boost and power and knowledge. I know some people would love to get their hands on it from other boards without being given credit or profit.

Being someone who has been around a lot on the Internet since 1995, and lucky enough to be on some great forums over that time (when they were great, read; why not, later) , and this is a very good point being made by TurboGTU!  Not sure the best idea but I can suggest somethings, do a separate category locked to only those known and trusted.  Yea that does sounds like overkill, and for sure a pain and why the hell do we need to, but I have seen too many people swoop in and steal other people's hard work, fact, word, whatever, its been proven and seen more times than I really want to tell you about, many of those guys were very good friends of mine.  The diy-wb02 was one example, the flip-chip was another, there are too many to list and I am sure many I don't know of, but all I can say is the evolution of a thread like this has turned many a great web sites into a war zone, and sent many a top level contributors underground, never to be seen again (less you have their email and their respect!).  So, though this is the worst-case scenario, it still has been proven in the past and with more and more people coming on the internet, can only be more of a risk of happening.

How about a level status to enter an area, like Moderator's Only have, but instead "Tuners" known to contribute in the past, and any that these people would risk their lives  :laugh: vouching for to add to the list.

I don't know the best suggestion for this, I am hoping my ideas spring other ideas that might work out better ;)

How about an area called TGP.........(wtf is he talking about, oh Jeff, here he goes again lol)..."The Gentlemen Prerogative"  ;)

Jeff M

[mars]

I say give everyone the 3 bar patch...

At the very least we should see some cool carnage pics after the rookies try to run 30 PSI on a stock 3.1....  Would be somewhat entertainning, I would think.   :icon_biggrin:

I guess I won't be "allowed" to have this patch, I don't even have one measely star under my name there.   :laugh:

[Jeff M]

Seriously, that is a small chance with little gratification if someone out there blows up from an early version of the chip (what about the final versions!), even if we knew it happened, not like they are going to come back and tell us :icon_rolleyes: bout as gratifying as someone sending an email virus, how can they get satisfaction if they don't know anything about how someone's PC died and how pissed off the user was :icon_rolleyes:.  And even if one of the early versions, or final versions is allowed to be snagged from here, who is to say the thief needs to prove it works to get money out of others they sell it to, not like they care what happens after they get their cash, once again, cash>someone making money off your hard earned efforts!

As I said, I am not new to this, I have seen the progression of such efforts, and the lack of concern at the onset, don't make me come back later and tell you I told you so :motz2:

Jeff M

[Jeff M]

Ok, different idea here :laugh:.   Now, Jud has ran nearly a 12 second TGP, on only 7 psi I believe?  Am I getting some attention :icon_lol:  He would have ran in the 12s if he could get traction with his drag slicks, ummmm, you guys want to run more than double this boost level?  AND, greatly reduce the resolution of a 1 bar chip, yes "1 bar", there were no extra table entries added to the fuel, timing and boost tables when it went to the 2 bar we have, so now we add in 3 bars into that resolution.  And what about those wanting to rev past the rpm limits of our tables. 

Just some food for thought, its not pressure that tells the story about hp, its mass air, and btw, is Jud still running a stock TGP intercooler?

Jeff M

[TGPilot]

I will be getting with a few of you via PM by the end of the day.

-Kenny :icon_cool:

[flybynite]

Yes I half to agree with you guys(TurboGTU Jeff M)At first I thought we were the only guys messin with 8f but after some serious thought...SOMEBODY,SOMEWHERE,at SOMETIME will make SOME MONEY off our hard work :icon_mad: but I still wont to do it. :icon_idea: JEFF M if we were able to dissemble the 8f bin and change the 2bar math to 3bar and reassemble could we also extend the ve and spark tables to higher rpms and add extra fueling tables???If my UNDERSTANDING of source code is correct the possabilities are unlimited. ;)Right now I'm working with the 58 code.I plan to dissemble both the 58 2bar and 3bar to see what changes have been made and then try to reassemble the bins and test them on my buddy's f-body(yea he's got BALLS) I'll go from there.  Later

[LukeZ34]

Yes I half to agree with you guys(TurboGTU Jeff M)At first I thought we were the only guys messin with 8f but after some serious thought...SOMEBODY,SOMEWHERE,at SOMETIME will make SOME MONEY off our hard work :icon_mad: but I still wont to do it. :icon_idea: JEFF M if we were able to dissemble the 8f bin and change the 2bar math to 3bar and reassemble could we also extend the ve and spark tables to higher rpms and add extra fueling tables???If my UNDERSTANDING of source code is correct the possabilities are unlimited ;)Right now I'm working with the 58 code.I plan to dissemble both the 58 2bar and 3bar to see what changes have been made and then try to reassemble the bins and test them on my buddy's f-body(yea he's got BALLS) I'll go from there.  Later

On a completely unrelated note. Your smileys weren't working in your post, so I fixed them.  :icon_cool:

[sleeperred90tgp]

Ok, different idea here :laugh:.   Now, Jud has ran nearly a 12 second TGP, on only 7 psi I believe?  Am I getting some attention :icon_lol:  He would have ran in the 12s if he could get traction with his drag slicks, ummmm, you guys want to run more than double this boost level?  AND, greatly reduce the resolution of a 1 bar chip, yes "1 bar", there were no extra table entries added to the fuel, timing and boost tables when it went to the 2 bar we have, so now we add in 3 bars into that resolution.  And what about those wanting to rev past the rpm limits of our tables. 

Just some food for thought, its not pressure that tells the story about hp, its mass air, and btw, is Jud still running a stock TGP intercooler?

Jeff M

I was running almost 10 psi at the spike then settled down to between 8-9 for the long haul. Hard to read when your paying attention to where your going. But Ill tell you guys, Jeff is right the PSI don't mean shit, Its the volume, # or cu ft that you can put through the motor and the more PSI you run the hotter the charge and the worse everything will be. Thats why I went from the GT 28 to the GT3070. I am a pro at melting pistons. :icon_cry:

I think an 8.60 1/8 mile = about a 13.30 something for the 1/4, at least that's what i was told by a couple of guys. I think that's what Jeff is referring to as almost 12's. Count in the altitude density at 1000' and it might be somewhere in the 13.2's.  :dunno:

Yea Jeff still the stock IC with 2 1/2 piping. Looked at hundreds of IC and none are much bigger than what we have already. Afraid of overheating in the summer. Gets a little hot down here. ;) Also have considered a larger rad with a big IC. Don't know what I am going to do yet if anything.

Traction is the biggest loss. It gets pretty hairy midway through first and through second. On the last run I pointed it at the CL from the left lane and I think I stayed in the groove much better. Hence the 8.06 1/8 mile.  These Nittos are just not cutting it. Infact there dangerous. Gotta find some wheels for the MT streets. No answers to my post on ID rim dimension or offset(backspacing) Guess I'll have to pull a wheel. Man there hard to get back on. Shit(thats my own icon)

I still think the 3 bar is a good endeavor. (Jeff you may be the first to need it with your project) I would like to see one available Just in case I would need it. I also think it will enhance the chip tuning capabilities of this community.

Jud

[Jeff M]

Yes I half to agree with you guys(TurboGTU Jeff M)At first I thought we were the only guys messin with 8f but after some serious thought...SOMEBODY,SOMEWHERE,at SOMETIME will make SOME MONEY off our hard work :icon_mad: but I still wont to do it. :icon_idea: JEFF M if we were able to dissemble the 8f bin and change the 2bar math to 3bar and reassemble could we also extend the ve and spark tables to higher rpms and add extra fueling tables???If my UNDERSTANDING of source code is correct the possabilities are unlimited. ;)Right now I'm working with the 58 code.I plan to dissemble both the 58 2bar and 3bar to see what changes have been made and then try to reassemble the bins and test them on my buddy's f-body(yea he's got BALLS) I'll go from there.  Later

Have fun ;) Am sure it can be done, how long would it take/how long can others who "think" they need it can wait, what engine was it tested on such as this is a starter chip or a tuned 3-bar for your setup which only works if the "setups" are all the same (ie cam, heads, turbo, injectors, etc etc).  And as I said, its not boost pressure that is the factor for performance and its really nice to have Jud as an example/proof, I have read about this and seen it and know others that speak it so so I don't see for myself that the 3 bar is for us or at least for most, or me, too much sacrifice, and that learned from the guys that started the 3 bar/SyTy tuner gurus who are nearly all underground now.  I have to delegate my time to what matters to the masses, and then to little ole me :laugh:.  But good luck, we all have different engine setups and respect that, can be the same for the ECM setup we choose to use :icon_mrgreen:

Jeff M