Quote from: GangstGPfmic=gay compared to smic.

crack?

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Quote from: GangstGPfmic=gay compared to smic.

crack?

Yes sir I think you are correct :shock:  :idea:

Why would you think FMIC is "gay" compared to SMIC? Having a sidemount without a ton of breathing and airflow ability is not better than what is in place now. Why do you think the DSM guys are pulling there SMIC and putting in FMIC's? One and only reason...not enough frontal area to flow air across.

Now one thing that will not be tolerated here...flaming or digs in a negative way without cause! Please make sure you use your smilies to avoid waking up the caged animals! :wink:  :lol:  8)

Quote from: dbtk2I believe Kenny is pulling in the 220-230whp range with his 5 speed car, and IIRC his AUTO STE pulled like 221.  So I think 250 is doable I just don't know if my setup is capable of it or not.  But, weight is not of a big concern to me.  The extra 100lbs. my trans weighs is only a tenth in the 1/4.  There are lots of other things I can do to gain a tenth.  But I would like to put a 282 from a Beretta or something like that like Josh is talking about because then the gears will be halfway useful.  Then if I get some drag radials and launch mildly the trans shouldn't blow to pieces.  If it does, I'll have to figure out what to do to keep it together.

Shawn

considering your current mods i would be surprised if you didn't reach 250whp after swapping in a 5-speed.  i got 227whp with only a K&N, MBC @ ~10psi, testpipe/straight through muffler and chip (and 5-speed of course).

hopefully i can dyno my TSTE soon; not sure if it will be auto or manual by the time i'll be able to though.

Quote from: TGPilotWhy would you think FMIC is "gay" compared to SMIC? Having a sidemount without a ton of breathing and airflow ability is not better than what is in place now. Why do you think the DSM guys are pulling there SMIC and putting in FMIC's? One and only reason...not enough frontal area to flow air across.

Now one thing that will not be tolerated here...flaming or digs in a negative way without cause! Please make sure you use your smilies to avoid waking up the caged animals! :wink:  :lol:  8)

I think there is too much piping in a FMIC. I do not mean to be negative, but I have seen some pretty weak FMIC setups. DSM, I would never own so I dont care about them. :wink: nice to have their input, learn from their mistakes for sure.I know this has already been argued, and gains are minimal, so until someone completes a doublestacked smic, I will not be impressed.but there is no room for that mod either. I guess the best gains would come from paint stripping the IC and the ac fin mod.

I like to wake up the animals!

piping for a FMIC would likely only be a few inches longer.

and you definately would not want to 'stack' intercoolers together :?  that doesn't make sense.

Quote from: TurboSedanpiping for a FMIC would likely only be a few inches longer.

and you definately would not want to 'stack' intercoolers together :?  that doesn't make sense.

A few inches!  more like a few FEET!

And stacking them would be sweet! I have no idea why you think that dont make sense. no added piping and twice as much cooling! our setup already drops temps over 100 degrees! you look at Banks turbo kits and wrx ic's they are close as possible to the turbo. sometimes no IC at all!

In my opinion tall ic's with big tanks=high flow efficient. long IC's less passages+long tubing=restrictive. Do the math.

Butcher the car for minimal gains when the state of the art system already rules? Jeff M already convinced me that route sucks.

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Quote from: TurboSedanpiping for a FMIC would likely only be a few inches longer.

and you definately would not want to 'stack' intercoolers together :?  that doesn't make sense.

A few inches!  more like a few FEET!

And stacking them would be sweet! I have no idea why you think that dont make sense. no added piping and twice as much cooling! our setup already drops temps over 100 degrees! you look at Banks turbo kits and wrx ic's they are close as possible to the turbo. sometimes no IC at all!

In my opinion tall ic's with big tanks=high flow efficient. long IC's less passages+long tubing=restrictive. Do the math.

Butcher the car for minimal gains when the state of the art system already rules? Jeff M already convinced me that route sucks.

If you got a double driver's side ended Front Mount, your piping distance wouldn't be very long at all.  Yes its one thing running it clear over to the passenger side, but if you can get one with double ended Driver's Side, you would really not lose that much in piping distance.

Quote from: GangstGP

Quote from: TurboSedanpiping for a FMIC would likely only be a few inches longer.

and you definately would not want to 'stack' intercoolers together :?  that doesn't make sense.

A few inches!  more like a few FEET!

And stacking them would be sweet! I have no idea why you think that dont make sense. no added piping and twice as much cooling! our setup already drops temps over 100 degrees! you look at Banks turbo kits and wrx ic's they are close as possible to the turbo. sometimes no IC at all!

In my opinion tall ic's with big tanks=high flow efficient. long IC's less passages+long tubing=restrictive. Do the math.

Butcher the car for minimal gains when the state of the art system already rules? Jeff M already convinced me that route sucks.

i think you should do more math or back up what you are saying so it makes more sense.

why would you stack two intercoolers together?  i doubt you'd be getting much air through the cores because it would be so thick.  i doubt longer piping is going to hurt anything either, unless the pipes are sitting over an exhaust manifold or something.  it's not like you'll have a pressure drop over a foot of intercooler pipe.

this is probably what i would use for a FMIC:

http://turbosunleashed.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=80

it's a Spearco and a bit expensive.  inlet/oulet on same side.  intercooler pipes wouldn't be much longer at all, not that it makes a difference.  of course, you'd have to ditch AC (or use a shorter condensor) and run the pipes through the 'window' where the stock SMIC was.

if you want to use 2 stock intercoolers together, place them side by side.  check this out:



or course, it's now a FMIC.  that's a stock Turbo Dodge intercooler on the ground, but it is exactly the same core size as the TGP intercooler - only the endtanks are different (they also have more fins/inch internally and likely don't flow as much as a TGP core...but that's besides the point).  i would probably choose a double core intercooler over a Spearco, but i have no idea who could make the custom end tanks.  obviously a 4-core wouldn't fit, but you could probably do a double core without hacking the car up.  i see no reason why you'd have to hack anything up by using the Spearco either.

Personally, I was thinking of getting a FMIC for the STE and this is one I found that I liked, but I think it might be overkill?  What do you guys think.  This would go along with a GT2871R.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FMIC-Turbo-Intercooler-27x11x3-One-sided-New-Product_W0QQitemZ8034896404QQcategoryZ33742QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Shawn

i like!!!!! :shock:

as long as it's not too long i think that would be great.  i need to look under the nose of my car again and see for sure what LxWxH i could get away with.

might be able to get some pics how not to do it. :lol: I thought DSMs used wwmic's? They probably had smic's on early ones.

I do not think DSM's ever had Water to Water. Celica All-tracs had them in the late model cars...but I do not think WWIC was ever used on DSM's.

Water to Water would be a Superb idea for TGP's. I know people always say they are heavy...but with the weight savings of converting to a 5-speed you would still be 50-60 lbs lighter than an automatic TGP. There is a guy here in the springs who has a Honda shitbox test bed car. He is working with a WWIC that is cooling the charge temps to a point were he is getting SES lights for a malfunctioning MAT sensor!  :shock: :lol:  8)

Quote from: TGPilotI do not think DSM's ever had Water to Water. Celica All-tracs had them in the late model cars...but I do not think WWIC was ever used on DSM's.

Water to Water would be a Superb idea for TGP's. I know people always say they are heavy...but with the weight savings of converting to a 5-speed you would still be 50-60 lbs lighter than an automatic TGP. There is a guy here in the springs who has a Honda shitbox test bed car. He is working with a WWIC that is cooling the charge temps to a point were he is getting SES lights for a malfunctioning MAT sensor!  :shock: :lol:  8)

Yes good idea there, another one would could just be the regular setup and just run Alcohol Injection, there may even be enough room under the plenum and between the Lower Intake to create some kind of "Direct-Port" Alcohol one.

I don't know much about computer water cooling or WWICs, but how could a WWIC if you setup a system running a computer water cooling system seperate from the car's one obviously?  Ah the crazy ideas people come up with....

Quoteobviously a 4-core wouldn't fit, but you could probably do a double core without hacking the car up. i see no reason why you'd have to hack anything up by using the Spearco either.

I'll agree with this too, I really don't see why you would really need to hack the car up to get one to work, if you can get the smaller condenser, you have plenty of room between the radiator and the frame.  Just build some brackets to mount it with, ditch the 2nd fan, and fix up the AC, or just remove it if you insist, then there is no problem.  Obviously we all must like our A/C, as I'm suprised no one has really done this yet.  Without that condenser, I don't see how a FMIC would be hard at all. :?

your going to have a hard time convincing people to ditch the secondary fan, maybe relocate it. but that is why on 90 * days I can stick my hand down between the air filter and the turbo and feel gusts of cool air cooling the tranny and intake pipes. And I can run it hard, pop the hood and the charge pipe is always cool to the touch. no heat soak at all.